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  • #211
    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Yes, but they don’t pay federal income taxes. Which means not getting as much support probably would make sense in a vacuum. But obviously that’s not the only reason.

    Look, all I’m saying is they’ve had numerous chances. They finally went for it, under protest, when a party that hates Hispanics was in complete control.

    That being said, we still treat them like **** and they deserve better.
    They do pay federal tax. Just not the same as you do. And they get screwed out of what they pay, too. Why should they get back that much less than they pay??

    Again, how does that even matter that we now treat stuff being made there as being imported from a foreign country? AND they are supposed to be like a state with regards to shipping stuff- the Jones Act- adding even MORE cost to stuff they make and send to the US. How does it make any sense at all to take away the largest source of income from the island???

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    • #212
      Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

      Originally posted by joecct View Post
      Kep

      If DC retakes Alexandria and Arlington doesn't that hurt the Ds chances in Richmond?
      Yes. The plan isn't favorable to either party in the Senate.

      Let's call each state a 1 rather than 2 for simplicity:

      DE joins MD: blue -1
      ND merges with SD: red -1
      VT joins NH: blue -1
      AK joins WA: sways WA into red: net blue -1
      WY joins MT: red -1
      DC regains their VA territories and gets statehood: sways VA to red, net red +1
      PR statehood blue +1
      CA splits into three states: Shasta (the north), Fresno (central), and old California (the south): net blue +1, red +1
      Annex Canada: blue +1

      Total effect: even

      In the House, blue will gain, however, adding DC, PR and Canada. That is roughly equal to adding one democratic Texas' worth of citizens (30M roughly 60/40 blue).
      Last edited by Kepler; 12-20-2017, 10:20 AM.
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      • #213
        Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        If we're going to merge states, that's going in the opposite direction of what we should. The minimum population for statehood should be 1M.

        DE joins MD.
        ND merges with SD.
        VT joins NH.
        AK joins WA.
        WY joins MT.

        That gives us 5 to play around with:

        CA splits into three states: Shasta (the north), Fresno (central), and old California (the south).
        California partition could be fun. NoCal and SoCal is an easy one--they'd both be in favor. Central gets a little trickier, depending on where you draw lines, though most Bay Area and Santa Cruz Mtn residents, including Big Sur, consider themselves of the same stock (and could care less about the peasants in the valley). But there would be some very fun battles over ag money in the Valley and water in the Sierras.

        Big Dakota would be a giant. Combine its sizeable nuclear arsenal and oil reserves along with the superior genetic makeup of the population (brains and looks, mostly), and you have a formidable state that would have every reason to secede.
        Last edited by burd; 12-20-2017, 10:26 AM.

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        • #214
          Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

          Originally posted by burd View Post
          California partition could be fun. NoCal and SoCal is an easy one--they'd both be in favor. Central gets a little trickier, depending on where you draw lines, though most Bay Area and Santa Cruz Mtn residents, including Big Sur, consider themselves of the same stock (and could care less about the peasants in the valley). But there would be some very fun battles over ag money in the Valley and water in the Sierras.
          I'm tossing the Republicans a bone by carving out a Central CA. Make Fresno the capital. It will be the most boring state in the nation and have political and social policies equivalent to Arizona.
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          • #215
            Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
            ETA: looking it up now, I remember there was a huge controversy over it. The turnout was historically low and it was boycotted by a good chunk of the nation.
            Turn out was 25%. According to The Statehood movement in Puerto Rico Wikipedia article, "this figure is comparable to other states’ during their admission process: Wisconsin’s statehood plebiscite had a 17% turnout, Arizona 7%, Hawaii 35%, and Alaska had a 21% turnout." however there is no citation given, so this may not be accurate.

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            • #216
              Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              AK joins WA..
              that gerrymander wouldn't even be the worst looking at the end of the day
              a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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              • #217
                Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

                Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                They do pay federal tax. Just not the same as you do. And they get screwed out of what they pay, too. Why should they get back that much less than they pay??

                Again, how does that even matter that we now treat stuff being made there as being imported from a foreign country? AND they are supposed to be like a state with regards to shipping stuff- the Jones Act- adding even MORE cost to stuff they make and send to the US. How does it make any sense at all to take away the largest source of income from the island???
                Every blue state gets back less than they pay in.

                Regarding the second paragraph. you aren’t reading what I’m saying. You’re just reacting. Our response has been abysmal. They’re citizens of the US and we’re not helping. It’s unconscionable.

                We should help them with whatever they need and they should vote to become a state the next time the people who don’t hate brown people are back in power.
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                • #218
                  Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

                  Originally posted by BassAle View Post
                  Turn out was 25%. According to The Statehood movement in Puerto Rico Wikipedia article, "this figure is comparable to other states’ during their admission process: Wisconsin’s statehood plebiscite had a 17% turnout, Arizona 7%, Hawaii 35%, and Alaska had a 21% turnout." however there is no citation given, so this may not be accurate.
                  I’m not sure they’re comparable anyway. Maybe Alaska and Hawaii.
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                  • #219
                    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

                    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                    Every blue state gets back less than they pay in.
                    not sure how that works. CA and NY have more people for example, so that defense budget that keeps them safe and those nukes would have to proportionally be spread out more to cover them. much bigger allocation that the tiny population of wyoming and idaho.
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                    • #220
                      Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

                      Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                      not sure how that works. CA and NY have more people for example, so that defense budget that keeps them safe and those nukes would have to proportionally be spread out more to cover them. much bigger allocation that the tiny population of wyoming and idaho.
                      Much more productive population.

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                      • #221
                        Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

                        Originally posted by burd View Post
                        California partition could be fun. NoCal and SoCal is an easy one--they'd both be in favor. Central gets a little trickier, depending on where you draw lines, though most Bay Area and Santa Cruz Mtn residents, including Big Sur, consider themselves of the same stock (and could care less about the peasants in the valley). But there would be some very fun battles over ag money in the Valley and water in the Sierras.

                        Big Dakota would be a giant. Combine its sizeable nuclear arsenal and oil reserves along with the superior genetic makeup of the population (brains and looks, mostly), and you have a formidable state that would have every reason to secede.
                        If you want to split CA into 3, okay, just please don't call us "Fresno".

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                        Rover Frenchy, Classic! Great post.
                        iwh30 I wish I could be as smart as you. I really do you are the man
                        gregg729 I just saw your sig, you do love having people revel in your "intelligence."
                        Ritt18 you are the perfect representation of your alma mater.
                        Miss Thundercat That's it, you win.
                        TBA#2 I want to kill you and dance in your blood.
                        DisplacedCornellian Hahaha. Thread over. Frenchy wins.

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                        • #222
                          Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

                          Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                          not sure how that works. CA and NY have more people for example, so that defense budget that keeps them safe and those nukes would have to proportionally be spread out more to cover them. much bigger allocation that the tiny population of wyoming and idaho.
                          It was an oversimplification, but it’s basically true:
                          https://www.theatlantic.com/business...takers/361668/

                          Also, your defense argument is kind of absurd. I can’t tell if it’s a bit.
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                          • #223
                            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                            Every blue state gets back less than they pay in.
                            Except New Mexico, thanks to Los Alamos.

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                            • #224
                              Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

                              Originally posted by French Rage View Post
                              If you want to split CA into 3, okay, just please don't call us "Fresno".
                              "Frisco" would be as bad, wouldn't it?

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                              • #225
                                Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 6.0: Nope, it only found woven strands

                                Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                                It was an oversimplification, but it’s basically true:
                                https://www.theatlantic.com/business...takers/361668/

                                Also, your defense argument is kind of absurd. I can’t tell if it’s a bit.
                                defense of the country and dollars spent are not part of this argument? really? like they just don't exist?
                                a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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