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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    I’m sure your sources are right. Since there’s never been a case in history where DIFFERENCES in religion, traditions, language, gender roles, skin color, etc. have in themselves caused the least bit of conflict between an immigrant group and established population, the problem there is clearly that “white Swedes” are a uniquely evil and violent people.
    He said without a hint of irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    conflict between an immigrant group and established population
    And there's your problem. Why do you privilege the "established population"? By your reasoning blacks were responsible for their lynchings in the post-war South. After all, the white supremacist population had long been established.

    Let's bring this back to America. The whole point of America is there is no established population. America is who is here. We aren't theory, we're the facts on the ground -- the ultimate experiment in pragmatism. We aren't like France where unless you are "French" you can live there for seven generations and you're still not French. There is no American ethnicity. We are the mixed breeds of the world. A person who comes to America is just as American as a ninth generation Daughter of the American Revolution.

    Conservative xenophobia traces back to the original sin of the right: they never understood America. They think it's a white, Christian nation and the rest of us are here by their sufferance and we should be grateful for what scraps we get. They are exactly wrong. America is a nation of immigrants. There is no ethnic hierarchy here except the delusional one that particular racists imagine.

    America is sanctuary from all the nationalist and ethnic idiocy of the rest of the world. It is fundamentally post-ethnic. The slack-jawed rubes who think they're special because they share the race and religion of the Founders are in for one helluva shock the next century or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    You did?

    Why?
    When he first started his show it was well done and pretty balanced. I used to watch it quite a bit. I soured on him when he became a partisan hack. That didn't change my opinion of thinking he wasn't an idiot. He certainly did better for himself than I've done career wise. I have a lot of deference to successful people. Maybe that's a character flaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Want to see how stupid men are? Read this article. I thought he was a pretty smart guy. But, if you settle on this stuff for all that money and you put a gag order in on the women you also have to keep your mouth shut. He couldn't keep his mouth shut. Here's hoping these women own Fox News by the time this is done. It's the only conclusion that's justice.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Scooby, in about 6 months I want you to ask me what I was told by a friend of mine who has family that is involved in the O'Reilly lawsuit. (the last one...the YUGE one) It is pretty epic
    I'll have to put a reminder in somewhere. I'd love to hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    When he first started his show it was well done and pretty balanced. I used to watch it quite a bit. I soured on him when he became a partisan hack. That didn't change my opinion of thinking he wasn't an idiot. He certainly did better for himself than I've done career wise. I have a lot of deference to successful people. Maybe that's a character flaw.
    He was a few classes ahead of my brother in Catholic high school. He's famously a cretin and a liar. It's not an act, he really is that dope you see on teevee.
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    And there's your problem. Why do you privilege the "established population"? By your reasoning blacks were responsible for their lynchings in the post-war South. After all, the white supremacist population had long been established.

    Let's bring this back to America. The whole point of America is there is no established population. America is who is here. We aren't theory, we're the facts on the ground -- the ultimate experiment in pragmatism. We aren't like France where unless you are "French" you can live there for seven generations and you're still not French. There is no American ethnicity. We are the mixed breeds of the world. A person who comes to America is just as American as a ninth generation Daughter of the American Revolution.

    Conservative xenophobia traces back to the original sin of the right: they never understood America. They think it's a white, Christian nation and the rest of us are here by their sufferance and we should be grateful for what scraps we get. They are exactly wrong. America is a nation of immigrants. There is no ethnic hierarchy here except the delusional one that particular racists imagine.

    America is sanctuary from all the nationalist and ethnic idiocy of the rest of the world. It is fundamentally post-ethnic. The slack-jawed rubes who think they're special because they share the race and religion of the Founders are in for one helluva shock the next century or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    He was a few classes ahead of my brother in Catholic high school. He's famously a cretin and a liar. It's not an act, he really is that dope you see on teevee.
    So, character flaw on my part. Typical. I have a lot of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    So, character flaw on my part. Typical. I have a lot of them.
    It's OK, I tend to look down on financially successful people as superficial and insipid. Between us is the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    It's OK, I tend to look down on financially successful people as superficial and insipid. Between us is the truth.
    Great article. That's a dynamic that I have never understood. My brain can't even begin to process it.
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    And there's your problem. Why do you privilege the "established population"? By your reasoning blacks were responsible for their lynchings in the post-war South. After all, the white supremacist population had long been established.

    Let's bring this back to America. The whole point of America is there is no established population. America is who is here. We aren't theory, we're the facts on the ground -- the ultimate experiment in pragmatism. We aren't like France where unless you are "French" you can live there for seven generations and you're still not French. There is no American ethnicity. We are the mixed breeds of the world. A person who comes to America is just as American as a ninth generation Daughter of the American Revolution.

    Conservative xenophobia traces back to the original sin of the right: they never understood America. They think it's a white, Christian nation and the rest of us are here by their sufferance and we should be grateful for what scraps we get. They are exactly wrong. America is a nation of immigrants. There is no ethnic hierarchy here except the delusional one that particular racists imagine.

    America is sanctuary from all the nationalist and ethnic idiocy of the rest of the world. It is fundamentally post-ethnic. The slack-jawed rubes who think they're special because they share the race and religion of the Founders are in for one helluva shock the next century or so.
    No, you're reading the second thing first. I don't privilege a group, that was you. Insofar as I "privilege" one of the two, I give the benefit of the doubt to the immigrant group. But not because I think their ways are always better for the place (the Puritans were a questionable, at best, upgrade to New England populations). It's because they are generally smaller, poorer, and more in need of help and protection in case of conflict. I value each person equally, however. I don't think it's safe to say that if there's a conflict between populations, one whole group must be "evil" and one of them "good" as you originally suggested, just because of skin color.
    I agree with everything else you're saying. I myself am only a third-generation immigrant. I'm all in favor of opening up immigration and cranking up the diversity, as long as we are able to respect one another.
    I don't know how you got to the point where I think "blacks are responsible for their own lynchings." Not following at all. For the record, I'm opposed to lynching people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    He said without a hint of irony.
    Explain yourself. You think racism justifies violence? Or...
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    Explain yourself. You think racism justifies violence? Or...
    Let's go to the tape:

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    I spent two weeks there last summer, this is what I heard too. I didn't spend any time south of Stockholm, but I was also warned in no uncertain terms that it would be a terrible idea due to a violent crime wave based on new refugees trying to find a niche. Moving thousands of people tends to create some unrest.
    That's you "giving the benefit of the doubt to the immigrant group"?

    In fairness, I also misread Kepler as being simply a snarky sarcastic response using your own post against you, when he's apparently being serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Let's go to the tape:



    That's you "giving the benefit of the doubt to the immigrant group"?
    I understand your misunderstanding. My point was that the immigrant group was trying to find a niche in a new and unfamiliar place (of which I approve and support). Conflict with the population that was already there has led to an increase in violent crime. I did not say the immigrants (or for that matter "white people") were the only ones responsible for crimes. I meant that the tension between different cultures led to conflict. This is nothing new.
    The solution is not to try to stop immigration or refugee resettlement. These people are coming from a background a lot darker than occasionally being beaten in an alley by a resentful native (of any color) and would continue to resettle regardless. The solution is love and understanding and assimilation and goodwill and whatnot like that.

    I think you guys are just making the mistake of thinking that since I'm conservative, I must be looking for a way to hate on minorities or something. Not at all. I love all the people.
    The fact that last summer I opted out of spending my time in cities that were reputed to be places of violence and crime doesn't mean I'm prejudiced against their immigrant populations. You're reading way too much into that. I just had more wide open spaces and familial historical sites to explore, which I prefer.
    And yes, I'm a white Swede, which is why I'm defensive of our reputation.
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    Just got the word. Franken done on the 2nd. Tina Smith sworn in on the 3rd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    I’m sure your sources are right. Since there’s never been a case in history where DIFFERENCES in religion, traditions, language, gender roles, skin color, etc. have in themselves caused the least bit of conflict between an immigrant group and established population, the problem there is clearly that “white Swedes” are a uniquely evil and violent people.
    I'll put this in a less incendiary way. When Packer Backer Bob gets in a fistfight with Viking fan Marvin, it's not because one of them is a terrible person...
    Wait, bad example. Packer fans are terrible people.

    If Marvin was fighting it out with a Lions fan, the conflict would be simply due to Marvin not knowing about Michigan, and the Lions fan not understanding Minneapolis. Not that one of them is necessarily "better."
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    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...arassment.html

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    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...ts-suicide/#/0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch Boy View Post
    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...ts-suicide/#/0

    Idaho state rep kills himself after resigning due to sexual assault allegations.
    I'm really afraid his actions speak to his guilt. That'd be bad.

    But if he was telling the truth...that's even worse.

    It's becoming a situation where allegations = truth, and that's dam scary.
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    Yeah, you kill yourself because you’re innocent? Sorry. Does not compute.

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