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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover
    Still not sure all those Bernie voters should have voted FOR Trump though, thus putting him over the top in key states....
    And again, Hillary voters voted for Obama's opponent at twice the rate and it didn't cost him the election. Hmmm.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    And again, Hillary voters voted for Obama's opponent at twice the rate and it didn't cost him the election. Hmmm.....
    All of that may not matter. If Ohio is lost to the Dems forever (I believe it is) and Michigan cares more about the National Anthem then clean water (I believe they do) no candidate is ever going to coalesce the left factions in a manner to get them the Electoral College. They'll win the popular vote again though. Easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    All of that may not matter. If Ohio is lost to the Dems forever (I believe it is) and Michigan cares more about the National Anthem then clean water (I believe they do) no candidate is ever going to coalesce the left factions in a manner to get them the Electoral College. They'll win the popular vote again though. Easily.
    Well the Dems had a candidate win both WI and Michigan in the primary but it wasn't the one who won it all unfortunately.

    I think this article highlights a lot of the issues and it was written in 2000 after Bush "won" against Gore in FL. It's funny how the dems really haven't changed anything significant since then either:

    These votes weren't "lost" to misaligned butterfly ballots, pregnant chads or some conniving election official who deposited them in a closet. Rather, these were the uncast ballots of almost half of the American electorate, who chose not to vote this year largely because they feel they've been cast out of the process by a vacuous, cynical and elitist political system that no longer addresses their needs and aspirations.

    These mostly are middle- and low-income folks, people making less than $50,000 a year. While they make up some 80 percent of the U.S. population, exit polls on Nov. 7 found that for the first time they've fallen to less than half of the voting population. As the Clinton-Gore-Lieberman Democrats have jerked the party out from under this core populist constituency, pursuing the money and adopting the policies of the corporate and investor elite, the core constituency of the party has -- big surprise -- steadily dropped away. In 1992, the under-$50,000 crowd made up 63 percent of voters. In 1996, after Clinton and Gore had relentlessly and very publicly pushed NAFTA, the WTO and other Wall Street policies for four years, the under-$50,000 crowd dropped to 52 percent of voters. After four more years of income stagnation and decline for these families under the regime of the Clinton-Gore "New Democrats," the under-$50,000 crowd dropped this year to only 47 percent of voters.
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    So we've got Rover who exonerates the party bosses and the septuagenarian insiders during a time when the country wants them cleared out, and blames liberals during a time when the Democratic coalition is moving to the left.

    And we have Scooby who is defeatist about everything.

    With such brilliant, productive input, how can the Democrats fail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    So we've got Rover who exonerates the party bosses and the septuagenarian insiders during a time when the country wants them cleared out, and blames liberals during a time when the Democratic coalition is moving to the left.

    And we have Scooby who is defeatist about everything.

    With such brilliant, productive input, how can the Democrats fail?
    LOL

    Until the Democratic Party understands the problem they will never solve it. And since no one ever learns anything in this country?

    I rest my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    And again, Hillary voters voted for Obama's opponent at twice the rate and it didn't cost him the election. Hmmm.....
    Why would any Bernie voter vote for Trump? Let alone millions of them? Care to explain? Or should I just ask Kep?
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    The same reason Hillary voters did it at twice the rate for the slightly less racist/stupid candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    The same reason Hillary voters did it at twice the rate for the slightly less racist/stupid candidate.
    What does this even mean?
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    I think something like 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump and 25% of 2008 Hillary voters voted for McCain.

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    And Here is Why Tillerson Called Trump a Moron

    President Donald Trump said he wanted what amounted to a nearly tenfold increase in the U.S. nuclear arsenal during a gathering this past summer of the nationís highest-ranking national security leaders, according to three officials who were in the room.

    Trumpís comments, the officials said, came in response to a briefing slide he was shown that charted the steady reduction of U.S. nuclear weapons since the late 1960s. Trump indicated he wanted a bigger stockpile, not the bottom position on that downward-sloping curve.

    According to the officials present, Trumpís advisers, among them the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, were surprised. Officials briefly explained the legal and practical impediments to a nuclear buildup and how the current military posture is stronger than it was at the height of the buildup. In interviews, they told NBC News that no such expansion is planned.

    The July 20 meeting was described as a lengthy and sometimes tense review of worldwide U.S. forces and operations. It was soon after the meeting broke up that officials who remained behind heard Tillerson say that Trump is a ďmoron.Ē
    What a great idea...lets bankrupt the economy building up a nuclear arsenal for no good reason! Further proof this clown is a Russian patsy though because he is running the Russians playbook from the Cold War. Worked out real well for them too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    I think something like 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump and 25% of 2008 Hillary voters voted for McCain.
    And you are saying that McCain is "slightly less racist and stupid" than Trump? I mean you can have that opinion but not sure anyone is going to agree with you. Especially in 2008. He talked down to the birthers (remember the old lady who called Obama an A-RAB who McCain dismissed) Trump actually was one. It isnt even close.
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    McCain might not be overtly racist but his policies, like basically all Republican policies, undeniably are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    And you are saying that McCain is "slightly less racist and stupid" than Trump? I mean you can have that opinion but not sure anyone is going to agree with you. Especially in 2008. He talked down to the birthers (remember the old lady who called Obama an A-RAB who McCain dismissed) Trump actually was one. It isnt even close.
    Exactly. I don't agree with it, but if you were a Hillary voter who really valued having an old experienced person in the WH particularly on foreign policy I can see a Hillary voter backing McCain. Again, don't agree with it but there's some overlap (the Russia threat for example).

    What POSSIBLE reason is there for millions of Sanders supporters to vote for a lunatic white supremacist?
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    Hahahah JFC Rover. So it's ok to vote for the candidate who would undoubtedly have set the country back much further than it currently is now because he's not overtly racist (though his running mate certainly was), just all of his policies are. OK.

    It's pretty obvious that those were protest votes by irrational people. It's just that HRC has twice as many of them yourself included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    LOL

    Until the Democratic Party understands the problem they will never solve it. And since no one ever learns anything in this country?

    I rest my case.
    This makes zero sense; it's just your usual Chicken Little shtick. If we're doomed, no thought or work is required. Lazy. Sad!

    The problem is not that low education whites are probably lost for another 2-3 generations to the Democratic party because they've retreated into a fundy, xenophobic, reactionary authoritarianism. Low education whites are only about 35% of the electorate. There are rural places where they are a majority, in the deep south and the prairies, and we won't win there. MS and KS are off limits. But we are competitive in the educated, urbanized, diverse 75% of the country -- in about 40% of it we are for all intents and purposes an invulnerable majority.

    So low education whites can go f-ck themselves.

    They can't swing an election themselves. They need the white middle class to be angry enough at the status quo to throw themselves behind an anti-establishment candidate like Dump. All we need to do is steal a march on the anti-establishment sentiment and put forward our own, liberal anti-establishment philosophy. And it already exists: economic liberalism is the cure for the plutocratic rot that has destroyed the middle class.

    The problem is when we embrace the fat, senile, status quo that has been giving the 99% the shaft, we deserve to lose. That's what Hillary represented to the vast majority of Americans. We didn't lose that election because of the Deplorables -- the Deplorables were a steady factor during the Obama elections too. We lost because the status quo, which has been very, very good for me personally, has been terrible for most of the middle class. The non-white middle class have no choice; they have to keep backing the Dems because the Republicans are racist f-cks. But the white middle class does have a choice, and last time they exercised it. 2016 was proof that the Founders' vision works.

    We just have to be on the right side of history, which is to burn down the plutes like we did in 1932. That's how we can sweep not just the federal elections but those 75% of the states as well. We have a huge advantage in numbers, but we p-ss it away because the party is being held prisoner by Roverman Sachsism.
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    McCain is the equivalent of Trump?


    That's the same idiotic thought process that made some people stay home from the poles coz "Hillary is crooked too. What's the difference?"
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    Good thing nobody said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    Hahahah JFC Rover. So it's ok to vote for the candidate who would undoubtedly have set the country back much further than it currently is now because he's not overtly racist (though his running mate certainly was), just all of his policies are. OK.

    It's pretty obvious that those were protest votes by irrational people. It's just that HRC has twice as many of them yourself included.
    He didnt say it was ok he said he understood it. (so do I since in 2008 he was closer to being a Centrist in most peoples minds still which is exactly where Clinton was) If you were a Dem that supported Joe Lieberman for example voting for McCain would not be out of character at all. (and not just cause Joe supported McCain either) Lets not forget that had McCain won the GOP Primary in 2000 Florida doesnt matter as most likely McCain wins going away over Gore. He was liked on both sides of the aisle. (still is respected on both sides)

    You are looking in hindsight, you need to remember how things were at the time. Obama was the outsider and McCain was establishment. Why the hell would a Centrist Democrat not consider voting for McCain? Why wouldnt those that support the banks?

    No one is saying they should do that, but I doubt most pundits or people within the DNC were surprised by that at all.

    Whereas in this case Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders have nothing in common. Susan Sarandan and the Bernie Bros voting for her is just ridiculous. None of his policies match up, none of his beliefs match up nor does the rhetoric. The only thing they have in common is neither is a party loyalist. Bernie Bros, if they wanted to make a statement, should have voted for Jill Stein. She may be a crackpot loony who isnt fit to run for Class President but at least she parallels Bernie on some things.
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    There is a huge difference between Jill Stein liberals and Bernie Sanders liberals. Conflating them is a strategy to delegitimize all liberals so the banks can keep raping us. Leave that game to Rover; he's emotionally committed to it and he's been practicing for years now.
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