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    Quote Originally Posted by The Real Georgia Peach View Post
    Midd played Plattsburgh tough the other night, a one goal game, so I wouldn't treat them lightly. On todays game, I didn't see much "thuggery" from NEC. I thought it was a well played game from both teams. Going from a big sheet Friday to a Postage stamp today has got to be , at best, frustrating. But the team played through it and got a 4 point weekend. (3-2 games aren't my favorite...I prefer 6-1 games.)
    Not to be argumentative, but the game winner was a direct result of NEC taking a stupid penalty on a blatant late hit directly in front of the ref. That would be the thuggery I alluded to. The Cadets kept their composure, rather than retaliate and get a matching penalty. Took the power play opportunity to win the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwatcher View Post
    That kind of thinking will get a team in trouble !
    The good news is, I’m a fan and not a player. I arrived in Northfield at the tail end of Middlebury’s excellence, and already miss those games. Packed houses and intense games. Regardless of recent outcomes, that environment is gone. So, yeah, I wish Middlebury didn’t stink right now so we could enjoy that atmosphere again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NU Pastime View Post
    Yeah, NU tied Middlebury last year and lost to them the year before if I remember correctly. So while this decade has been one-sided the last two years have not.

    In my opinion, Middlebury-Norwich is the best kind of rivalry. It's a rivalry where the schools are opposites of each other and the student bodies would, if they interacted like they used to, genuinely not like each other.

    I think it was the Hockey in the Cac blog that wrote a short story on it a few years ago that summed it up perfectly: the liberal, prestigious, liberal arts school v. the conservative, tough, military school from the other side of the mountain.

    When you think of most storied college rivalries they're between schools that are mirror images of each other. Leaving aside the Alabama-Auburn and Ohio State-Michigan type rivalries, let's just look at New England DIII. Williams-Amherst, Bowdoin-Colby, Norwich-Coast Guard - they're rivalries between very similar schools that share many of the same values and experiences.

    That's what makes Middlebury-Norwich fun, or at least did. They're polar opposites in almost every way.

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    What’s interesting, and I say this as a diehard Norwich fan and avowed despiser (is that a word?) of Midd, is that - if you look solely at the hockey players, they’re the same. Affluent, northeast prep school types and/or Canadians. Not good or bad, just an observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrbFlint View Post
    What’s interesting, and I say this as a diehard Norwich fan and avowed despiser (is that a word?) of Midd, is that - if you look solely at the hockey players, they’re the same. Affluent, northeast prep school types and/or Canadians. Not good or bad, just an observation.
    True, but sports are about more than just the players playing the game, especially in college (which is why I disagree with your elsewhere-mentioned annoyance at fans using "we" when referring to their team). It's why they wear the school logo on their chest. It's why the university pays thousands and thousands of dollars to pay for their equipment, travel expenses, and coaches' salaries. It's why all of us watch - because they're representing our school. They're representing us. If it was strictly about the players and the game then I'd be watching fewer DIII games and more NHL games.

    When I watch non-Norwich games I want to learn more about the schools that I'm watching. Last night after Norwich-USM I watched some of Concordia-Wisconsin v. St. Scholastica. I already know a lot about CUW, but I immediately wanted to learn more about St. Scholastica - Where is it? What is it known for? It's Catholic? How Catholic? Etc.

    But, maybe that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NU Pastime View Post
    True, but sports are about more than just the players playing the game, especially in college (which is why I disagree with your elsewhere-mentioned annoyance at fans using "we" when referring to their team). It's why they wear the school logo on their chest. It's why the university pays thousands and thousands of dollars to pay for their equipment, travel expenses, and coaches' salaries. It's why all of us watch - because they're representing our school. They're representing us. If it was strictly about the players and the game then I'd be watching fewer DIII games and more NHL games.

    When I watch non-Norwich games I want to learn more about the schools that I'm watching. Last night after Norwich-USM I watched some of Concordia-Wisconsin v. St. Scholastica. I already know a lot about CUW, but I immediately wanted to learn more about St. Scholastica - Where is it? What is it known for? It's Catholic? How Catholic? Etc.

    But, maybe that's just me.

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    All valid points.

    I would say students are allowed to say “we”. Players, employees, students. That particular gripe is directed at fans of pro sports teams...especially Patriots fans since 80% of them are frauds 😜
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    Re: Norwich 2017-18 Season Thread: Defending the Crown

    It's also OK for contributing alums to say "we" as they provide the funds for the teams either directly or indirectly. They have skin in the game!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrbFlint View Post
    The Cadets kept their composure, rather than retaliate and get a matching penalty. Took the power play opportunity to win the game.
    Frequently, when the Cadets have a lot of young players, they seem to get dragged into retaliation - that is the way the NEC has always played - provoke the opponent. Good that they didn't fall into that trap yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrbFlint View Post
    All valid points.

    I would say students are allowed to say “we”. Players, employees, students. That particular gripe is directed at fans of pro sports teams...especially Patriots fans since 80% of them are frauds ��
    I would add Red Sox and Celtics fans to that group of annoying fans. Lived in Vermont/NH for more than half of my (long) life and I never could deal with those fan bases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Real Georgia Peach View Post
    It's also OK for contributing alums to say "we" as they provide the funds for the teams either directly or indirectly. They have skin in the game!
    Also agree. The statement NU Pastime referenced I was making with regard (primarily) to NFL and/or pro sports fans. I should’ve made that more clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    I would add Red Sox and Celtics fans to that group of annoying fans. Lived in Vermont/NH for more than half of my (long) life and I never could deal with those fan bases.
    I don’t disagree. I am guilty of being a Red Sox fan, but I think there is a dramatic divide within the fan base. That would be where the “pink hats” come from.

    As far as the Celtics and Bruins go, if you never saw a game in the old Garden, while choking on smoke, you don’t count 😉

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    Re: Norwich 2017-18 Season Thread: Defending the Crown

    Back to last night's game, any word on what happened to Salvucci and Lewis? They stopped playing in the first and weren't on the ice for the second and third. I saw two Norwich players struggling to get off the ice, one right next to the bench, almost looked like a skate issue as he kind of dragged himself to the bench. The other player, also in the first period, limped off the ice from the Norwich offensive zone. Hope they are both okay. Norwich played with 11 forwards and 7 defensemen last night, so they were down to 3 lines most of the night and I thought they played excellent. Really liked the play of Christian Thompson, that guy can skate and puck handle to beat the band. He is always carrying the puck into the offensive zone by himself and setting up plays. Wish he scored more but I am sure he is playing the game Coach has asked him to play.

    As for NEC, I thought the first period was clean but starting in the second there was a fair share of pushing and shoving going on, not to mention high sticks to the neck. The NEC player (thug) who gave us the final power play goal, that wasn't his first time hitting after the whistle. In fact, he was one of two big guys that would join the scramble in front of the net after the whistle blew "to protect their goalie". It was amazing that it took the refs 3 periods to see NEC commit an obvious penalty. After the first, I thought it was a typical NEC game, dirty. Not to mention Norwich working hard for the win and hoping to get back on the bus with only minor injuries.

    And we all keep talking about how many penalties we are taking this year and saying that happens when you have a young team. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the majority of the penalties given this season belong to upperclassmen. Penalties are going to happen in a fast paced game, that's part of hockey. Taking dumb and retaliation penalties are not necessarily a part of hockey as much as they are an emotional response such as frustration. I believe the new players possess a lot of maturity in that respect. So far in the second half of the season Norwich is seeing less penalties than in the first half and that shows a better ability to handle stress. I hope and expect that trend to continue.

    For a rebuilding year, I am very impressed and happy with how Norwich is doing. We've lost 4 games, but 3 of them were 1 point heart breaking games. The players and coach have a lot to be proud of this season so far. As a fan, I am proud of what I am seeing on the ice and especially like the improvements made with each and every game.

    Bring on Middlebury (who have also improved since we saw them last)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 17'sfanNU View Post
    Back to last night's game, any word on what happened to Salvucci and Lewis? They stopped playing in the first and weren't on the ice for the second and third. I saw two Norwich players struggling to get off the ice, one right next to the bench, almost looked like a skate issue as he kind of dragged himself to the bench. The other player, also in the first period, limped off the ice from the Norwich offensive zone. Hope they are both okay. Norwich played with 11 forwards and 7 defensemen last night, so they were down to 3 lines most of the night and I thought they played excellent. Really liked the play of Christian Thompson, that guy can skate and puck handle to beat the band. He is always carrying the puck into the offensive zone by himself and setting up plays. Wish he scored more but I am sure he is playing the game Coach has asked him to play.

    As for NEC, I thought the first period was clean but starting in the second there was a fair share of pushing and shoving going on, not to mention high sticks to the neck. The NEC player (thug) who gave us the final power play goal, that wasn't his first time hitting after the whistle. In fact, he was one of two big guys that would join the scramble in front of the net after the whistle blew "to protect their goalie". It was amazing that it took the refs 3 periods to see NEC commit an obvious penalty. After the first, I thought it was a typical NEC game, dirty. Not to mention Norwich working hard for the win and hoping to get back on the bus with only minor injuries.

    And we all keep talking about how many penalties we are taking this year and saying that happens when you have a young team. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the majority of the penalties given this season belong to upperclassmen. Penalties are going to happen in a fast paced game, that's part of hockey. Taking dumb and retaliation penalties are not necessarily a part of hockey as much as they are an emotional response such as frustration. I believe the new players possess a lot of maturity in that respect. So far in the second half of the season Norwich is seeing less penalties than in the first half and that shows a better ability to handle stress. I hope and expect that trend to continue.

    For a rebuilding year, I am very impressed and happy with how Norwich is doing. We've lost 4 games, but 3 of them were 1 point heart breaking games. The players and coach have a lot to be proud of this season so far. As a fan, I am proud of what I am seeing on the ice and especially like the improvements made with each and every game.

    Bring on Middlebury (who have also improved since we saw them last)!
    Spot on here, it is almost laughable that they only had one penalty the whole game. In my opinion the thuggery of many D3 games is extremely overlooked....I'm not sure if it is to keep the play even and not have one team down a man for practically the whole game.

    Discipline starts with the upperclassman and it seems like they are getting called more than the young guys this year..

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    Spot on here, it is almost laughable that they only had one penalty the whole game. In my opinion the thuggery of many D3 games is extremely overlooked....I'm not sure if it is to keep the play even and not have one team down a man for practically the whole game.

    Discipline starts with the upperclassman and it seems like they are getting called more than the young guys this year..
    I had not noticed that before, but you are correct. The three guys with 20+ PIM are all seniors - Salvucci, Brandrup, and Evangelista. That is not good senior leadership there. I've usually associated the "rebuilding year" teams with more penalties because of inexperience.

    There are a couple of teams that just take thuggery to a higher level. I probably don't even have to name them, and things don't seem to have changed since I moved away.

    Letting teams get away with that stuff detracts from the skill level of the players. When people say "let them play - don't let the refs decide it," my thought is that often by letting teams get away with obstruction, slashing, holding, etc. the refs are letting the less skilled players decide the game. If a team lacks skilled players, they need to find defensive schemes that will work without unfairly preventing skilled players making (or attempting to make) plays.
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    Watching online last year the attendance looked pretty poor for the midweek matchup in Middlebury. Let's pack Kreitzberg tonight, what's better than mid week hockey to break up the week a little bit? The rivalry might not be the same but it should be some great hockey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 802Hockey View Post
    Watching online last year the attendance looked pretty poor for the midweek matchup in Middlebury. Let's pack Kreitzberg tonight, what's better than mid week hockey to break up the week a little bit? The rivalry might not be the same but it should be some great hockey!

    Go Cadets!
    I'll be there but I think we're in for the smallest crowd to ever watch a Norwich/Middlebury men's game at Kreitzberg sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    I'll be there but I think we're in for the smallest crowd to ever watch a Norwich/Middlebury men's game at Kreitzberg sadly.

    No students, Tuesday night, Middlebury's record, weather...
    Sorry I can't be there, but I'm stuck in the cold down here in Florida. I always thought of Middlebury as THE main rival..............in fact in our day we never even heard of Caselton College, but my grandson says its now THE rival. Times change, but I'm glad we still play Middlebury for old time's sake. With old, big rivals, you just never know who will win. There have been many surprises over the years. Let's hope tonight isn't one of them.


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    After one; Norwich 2- Midd 1.
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    I've got barely one bar on my phone in my office. Not enough the get a consistent video but the audio is working fine.

    The video loaded well enough once for me to notice that it is a very small crowd. Sad. Why schedule Middlebury over break? And it's a weird feeling to be mad at your rival for sucking.

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    It could be Satuday night in the middle of the semester and the crowd is still empty...

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    Norwich gets another and it 3-1 over Midd after 2 periods. Middlebury is playing a more physical than the Midd of old. not the finesse game of old. Norwich is playing with a depleted bench, Valducci is out as is Downs, both injured over the weekend.
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