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  • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

    Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
    How does something like that translate to preventing gun deaths? Are we going to encompass all outdoor events in veils of Kevlar?
    It doesn't, I wasn't really trying to argue against that point or anything obviously. The car comparison that gun nuts like to make is stupid for a number of reasons obviously.

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    • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
      It doesn't, I wasn't really trying to argue against that point or anything obviously. The car comparison that gun nuts like to make is stupid for a number of reasons obviously.
      I was using someone else's comparison. Who started it? It felt contrived at best, and far too many issues to ever be considered analogous.
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      • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

        Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
        How does something like that translate to preventing gun deaths? Are we going to encompass all outdoor events in veils of Kevlar?
        we can add bollards between the sidewalk and road when possible to stop cars from driving off the road. Same with outdoor events -- cement barriers and steel bollards can reduce the risk of automobile / crowd interaction

        unfortunately we can't do the same for guns at this point. we can't secure an outdoor venue with nearby tall buildings. not possible.

        it's going to be a long process. First, we can make it harder to get these kinds of weapons. Ban the sale of all assault rifles. eventually we need to reduce the number in circulation by making it a felony to posses them and offer amnesty for people turning them in

        things like the DC sniper will always be possible as long as hunting is legal/allowed and people posses hunting rifles.
        Last edited by BassAle; 10-05-2017, 12:57 PM.

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        • Originally posted by unofan View Post
          Put another way, if guns and gun users were as regulated as cars and drivers of cars, that'd make for a great start.
          I joked about this a few days back. Glad to see it's swinging around again.

          While I'd be for it, I'm not sure what good a state level FOID card would do in a situation like Las Vegas (or Sandy Hook, or wherever). If all these items were purchased on the up-and-up, and personally modified after the fact, that's something a yearly or every-four-year renewal isn't going to catch.

          I too can legally rent a box truck and pick up gardening supplies and gasoline on the way home with it.
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          • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

            Originally posted by alfablue View Post
            No, we can't stop people from killing other people.

            But why is it so bad to put in efforts to reduce the amount of harm these people can do? Smaller magazines would have shortened the time each gun could be used. Taking out the mechanism that allowed the guns to fire automatically would have also reduced the number of shots fire. Both would have reduced the number of dead an injured.

            Why should we accept HUGE mass murders when they can be reduced by some very simple means?

            The goal can never be 0 mass murders, as that is impossible- I agree. And that "goal" should also not be the reason we do nothing.

            I'm tired of the "evil is evil" excuse against efforts to reduce how evil someone can be.
            And that is pretty much exactly what I said.
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            • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

              Originally posted by geezer View Post
              There's truth to the idea that evil will find a way to do its work, but that's not the same as accepting or encouraging it. But you reminded me of how someone on here attested to a constant hail of bullets over I-394 that they had to drive through every day. I wonder if that terrorist group was ever shut down? Is it still a war zone down there?
              That was 5mn_Major
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              • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

                Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                YOUR side is that we should do NOTHING. When reduction in harm is so easy. Not elimination, for sure. But the potential harm can be reduced.
                I think you're misrepresenting what several of the people that you perceive to be against you are saying. I think there have been several of us, that post here, and are gun owners, that have already posted that we are in favor of taking some actions to reduce the harm. Several pages ago I listed several things I'd be in favor of, in terms of gun control, that in my opinion would make a positive impact, and they were pretty well received, I thought.
                Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

                RIP - Kirby

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                • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

                  Originally posted by French Rage View Post
                  According to Fox and Friends, it's athiest's fault: https://www.salon.com/2017/10/04/ste...x-and-friends/

                  Steve Doocy has a mangina.
                  joe probably approves of this theory...
                  "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                  -aparch

                  "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
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                  • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

                    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                    joe probably approves of this theory...
                    I hear we don't have any basis for morality because we're not terrified of being tortured for all eternity.

                    Because that's "character," dontchaknow?
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                    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      Ouch.

                      Surprise!!!!

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                      • Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                        joe probably approves of this theory...
                        Joe thinks we have devalued the concept of human life into (almost) disposable entities.
                        CCT '77 & '78
                        4 kids
                        5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
                        1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                        ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                        - Benjamin Franklin

                        Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                        I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                        • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

                          I think you're being sarcastic....but I think that legitimately is a surprise...
                          Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

                          RIP - Kirby

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                          • Originally posted by joecct View Post
                            Surprise!!!!
                            ...
                            "subject to additional regulations."

                            That sure is a funny way of spelling illegal.
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                            • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

                              Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                              joe probably approves of this theory...
                              I don't think that's ever been something joe has said, that we're bad people for being Atheists. He may think we're all going to Hell, but that's to be expected of any Christian.

                              A particular Gopher fan on this site, however, he has said things like that.
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                              • Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                Joe thinks we have devalued the concept of human life into (almost) disposable entities.
                                On this we fully agree. I suspect we also have about 90% overlap in what we'd do about it, leaving aside the "abstinence is murder" fanaticism and "just war" jiggery pokery.
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