Days Since Last Shooting II

[joecct]

Not “fairly easily” by any stretch to fabricate an automatic rifle. It would take unusually high levels of skill, knowledge, effort, and a huge investment in machining equipment. Such a person is a very wide exception.

You can do it even while in prison.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Marshall_Williams

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Not “fairly easily” by any stretch to fabricate an automatic rifle. It would take unusually high levels of skill, knowledge, effort, and a huge investment in machining equipment. Such a person is a very wide exception.

Well you guys are the experts on this stuff, but I disagree.
There are thousands, probably tens of thousands, of these types of home-built semi-automatic firearms out there. Perhaps not full auto, but as has been discussed, that's a relatively minor issue to overcome.

[geezer]

Well you guys are the experts on this stuff, but I disagree.
There are thousands, probably tens of thousands, of these types of home-built semi-automatic firearms out there. Perhaps not full auto, but as has been discussed, that's a relatively minor issue to overcome.

I don’t doubt there are but I object to the “fairly simple” characterization. It takes a serious commitment, it’s not like building a BLT. Has someone with that ability ever used it in a mass murder?
Anyway, whether this guy built or modified, glad he was caught. Contrary to popular opinion there are cops out there doing good and important work for us.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Was going to respond, but then I saw that Wisko not only made up estimated numbers with no source, but also backpedaled. So why bother?

[Drew S.]

I don’t doubt there are but I object to the “fairly simple” characterization. It takes a serious commitment, it’s not like building a BLT. Has someone with that ability ever used it in a mass murder?
Anyway, whether this guy built or modified, glad he was caught. Contrary to popular opinion there are cops out there doing good and important work for us.

Why would they? Most of the guns used in these crimes were purchased legally.

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Was going to respond, but then I saw that Wisko not only made up estimated numbers with no source, but also backpedaled. So why bother?

I'd think it would be self evident that there is no source for numbers of guns produced in homes when the idea for some is to have a gun with no serial number that the government or anyone else knows you have.

For others they may want to do it for the same reason a guy builds a cabinet or a model airplane -- as a hobby. I have a friend who built a '32 Ford coupe in his garage. He ordered most of the parts. Like car parts, many gun parts wear out with use, so naturally there are replacement parts - barrels, triggers, springs, etc. available for sale. What you can't buy for an AR (for example) is the lower receiver, which is what houses everything and holds it together. This part is in fact "the gun" with the serial number on it, and it is regulated exactly like a complete gun is.
Now you can buy this part unfinished, and therefore unregulated, and finish milling it yourself with a $100 drill press. You can, for around $1500, buy a small CNC machine that will mill the whole thing from scratch out of a piece of aluminum stock at the push of a button. You can 3-d print one. (I wouldn't feel to good about that, but apparently it works.) There are other ways. You need no real skills to do most of these things and it has been done for years and years.

[geezer]

I'd think it would be self evident that there is no source for numbers of guns produced in homes when the idea for some is to have a gun with no serial number that the government or anyone else knows you have.

For others they may want to do it for the same reason a guy builds a cabinet or a model airplane -- as a hobby. I have a friend who built a '32 Ford coupe in his garage. He ordered most of the parts. Like car parts, many gun parts wear out with use, so naturally there are replacement parts - barrels, triggers, springs, etc. available for sale. What you can't buy for an AR (for example) is the lower receiver, which is what houses everything and holds it together. This part is in fact "the gun" with the serial number on it, and it is regulated exactly like a complete gun is.
Now you can buy this part unfinished, and therefore unregulated, and finish milling it yourself with a $100 drill press. You can, for around $1500, buy a small CNC machine that will mill the whole thing from scratch out of a piece of aluminum stock at the push of a button. You can 3-d print one. (I wouldn't feel to good about that, but apparently it works.) There are other ways. You need no real skills to do most of these things and it has been done for years and years.

I see. I thought you were talking about building the whole thing, not assembling barrel, action etc out of catalog parts..: I wonder how much cheaper a good semi auto sidearm would be that way? Asking for a friend.

[French Rage]

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Wow. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...uel_tanks.html

The Las Vegas Review-Journal gives us a chilling glimpse into what could have been, reporting Wednesday that Paddock was also aiming to hit two jet fuel tanks beyond the country music concert with bullets.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I always thought McCarran was a bit too close...

I'd think it would be self evident that there is no source for numbers of guns produced in homes when the idea for some is to have a gun with no serial number that the government or anyone else knows you have.

For others they may want to do it for the same reason a guy builds a cabinet or a model airplane -- as a hobby. I have a friend who built a '32 Ford coupe in his garage. He ordered most of the parts. Like car parts, many gun parts wear out with use, so naturally there are replacement parts - barrels, triggers, springs, etc. available for sale. What you can't buy for an AR (for example) is the lower receiver, which is what houses everything and holds it together. This part is in fact "the gun" with the serial number on it, and it is regulated exactly like a complete gun is.
Now you can buy this part unfinished, and therefore unregulated, and finish milling it yourself with a $100 drill press. You can, for around $1500, buy a small CNC machine that will mill the whole thing from scratch out of a piece of aluminum stock at the push of a button. You can 3-d print one. (I wouldn't feel to good about that, but apparently it works.) There are other ways. You need no real skills to do most of these things and it has been done for years and years.

How many people are dedicated enough to do this?

[The Rube]

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I always thought McCarran was a bit too close...



How many people are dedicated enough to do this?

I would guess the ones who are innocent enough to keep it as a pure hobby, or the ones demented enough to use the hobby as an aggression.

[walrus]

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There are plenty of folks who have mills, lathes, grinders etc in their home shops. People collect and restore old machine shop equipment as a hobby. The internet is full of forums of guys who make beautiful parts to complete machinery in the confines of their homes. Just because you guys have no interest in it doesn't mean others don't. I suspect these skills are going away with generations who think working with their hands is demeaning.

[Gurtholfin]

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There are plenty of folks who have mills, lathes, grinders etc in their home shops. People collect and restore old machine shop equipment as a hobby. The internet is full of forums of guys who make beautiful parts to complete machinery in the confines of their homes. Just because you guys have no interest in it doesn't mean others don't. I suspect these skills are going away with generations who think working with their hands is demeaning.

I would never dispute that as two friends have just such setups.

But to imply that anyone could do these things if they wanted to is ridiculous.

My friends have a lifetime invested in the skills that they have developed.

From my experience, the VAST majority of people don't have the patience or dedication to acquire these skills.

To imply that a beginner with a Youtube video or Wiki access could fabricate an automatic weapon - as Wisko did unless I understood him wrong - is asinine.

I'm very handy and a DIY guy and simply good at building things and problem solving and creating things. I'm pretty doubtful as to whether I could pull off building a bow that would shoot straight, let alone a gun since I have no practical experience working in a machine shop.

I'd just go buy one.

[walrus]

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I would never dispute that as two friends have just such setups.

But to imply that anyone could do these things if they wanted to is ridiculous.

My friends have a lifetime invested in the skills that they have developed.

From my experience, the VAST majority of people don't have the patience or dedication to acquire these skills.

To imply that a beginner with a Youtube video or Wiki access could fabricate an automatic weapon - as Wisko did unless I understood him wrong - is asinine.

I'm very handy and a DIY guy and simply good at building things and problem solving and creating things. I'm pretty doubtful as to whether I could pull off building a bow that would shoot straight, let alone a gun since I have no practical experience working in a machine shop.

I'd just go buy one.

Not anyone can do it, it only takes one guy who can do it. There are plenty of those guys who could, thankfully most,99.9999 % wouldn't do what Las Vegas guy did. Once again, gun smiths in Maine are plentiful. Guys who do beautiful work. Guys who build guns from scrap. It take talent not just wanting to do it.

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[5mn_Major]

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One of the worst parts about this?

The fact that we will be having this exact same discussion in three months after the next shooting and again another 3 months later, etc.

[alfablue]

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One of the worst parts about this?

The fact that we will be having this exact same discussion in three months after the next shooting and again another 3 months later, etc.

Don't forget the very, very fake sympathy for the dead and injured, since there's nothing we can do.

Morons who buy into the gun industry BS have obviously trained themselves to be numb so that they can go out to the range and have fun.