Days Since Last Shooting II

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: Days Since Last Shooting II

Well, I heard one thing today that bothers me. Hotel Security in my mind screwed up. This guy had his room 36 hours straight in a "Do Not Disturb" mode. That bugs me. That sends up red flags in my mind. And that should have triggered an investigation of some sort. There was a hotel owner on Fox News Sunday that was talking about it and he said it would have triggered investigation in his hotel.

This could have been prevented.

I lived in a hotel for a month. Had the "Do Not Disturb" sign up the entire time. Never took it down. This is absurd.

[jerphisch]

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I'm with the others, Do not Disturb stays up my whole stay, I'll catch the housekeeping crew when they are on the floor to grab some fresh towels.

As to the note, it was calculations for hitting the crowd from his room:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/us/las...ion/index.html

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

For 36 hours? No bed turn down? No cleaning. No linens? Please. That's a red flag that something is going on.

I used to leave it on for days when I lived in hotels for work. Who the heck needs new sheets and towels every day??

[Bigus Paulus]

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Well, I heard one thing today that bothers me. Hotel Security in my mind screwed up. This guy had his room 36 hours straight in a "Do Not Disturb" mode. That bugs me. That sends up red flags in my mind. And that should have triggered an investigation of some sort. There was a hotel owner on Fox News Sunday that was talking about it and he said it would have triggered investigation in his hotel.

This could have been prevented.

I agree with the other that this is absurd. I've stayed in many hotels in Vegas over the years, including Mandalay Bay. The first thing that goes up when I arrive is the 'do not disturb' sign on my door and it doesn't get taken down until I leave unless I have a specific need for house keeping.

What you are proposing is mandatory room inspections under the guise of 'house keeping'.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

What you are proposing is mandatory room inspections under the guise of 'house keeping'.

Yep, agreed. It's dumb.

[ScoobyDoo]

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I agree with the other that this is absurd. I've stayed in many hotels in Vegas over the years, including Mandalay Bay. The first thing that goes up when I arrive is the 'do not disturb' sign on my door and it doesn't get taken down until I leave unless I have a specific need for house keeping.

What you are proposing is mandatory room inspections under the guise of 'house keeping'.

Well, that's funny because a hotel owner in Las Vegas does this very thing. And I'm fine with it. But, fine, it's stupid. What else you going to do? Metal Detectors? Turn hotels into the airport?

[The Rube]

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Well, that's funny because a hotel owner in Las Vegas does this very thing. And I'm fine with it. But, fine, it's stupid. What else you going to do? Metal Detectors? Turn hotels into the airport?

I wouldn't stay at that hotel. That's ridiculous. I'd be fine with metal detectors. *shrug*

[ScoobyDoo]

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I wouldn't stay at that hotel. That's ridiculous. I'd be fine with metal detectors. *shrug*

I've never hung the "Do Not Disturb" sign and I've never had an issue. I've stayed in many hotels over the years. Many. They want to come into my room. No problem.

[The Rube]

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I've never hung the "Do Not Disturb" sign and I've never had an issue. I've stayed in many hotels over the years. Many. They want to come into my room. No problem.

I've never had an issue, I just don't want them coming into my room.

[ScoobyDoo]

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I've never had an issue, I just don't want them coming into my room.

If I'm paying 100-300 bucks a night I want my room cleaned and I want the bed made.

[The Rube]

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If I'm paying 100-300 bucks a night I want my room cleaned and I want the bed made.

That's your *choice.* I don't want that forced on me just because the DND sign is on my door for x amount of time.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Ya kinda lost me there. He modified the legal guns to illegal guns. Key word: illegal. He slipped through the cracks. It's sad, but that will always happen. As far as banning anything...I'll offer this:
Imagine that EVERY gun is gone in the US tomorrow. EVERY one. Poof, gone. We still border Canada and Mexico. How soon before guns are smuggled in. The US cannot stop drug/human trafficking. We're not gonna be able to stop gun trafficking.

In addition, I will say, more in-depth background checks are needed, loopholes closed. It won't stop someone like the LV guy, but it might stop 1 attack. And I'm good with that.

Yes I agree, smuggling can be easy. Or it can be hard. We choose to have these weapons and modifications available because of some romantic notion/myth of either the "good guy with a gun theory" or the same myth of keeping tyranny at the hands of our own government at bay. If we decided as a society that the gun culture has simply gone too far and we've become a slave to the NRA and a few other wack-job organizations, we could eliminate much of the threat and carnage being caused every year or two by one of these unhinged maniacs. We could stop the smuggling if we chose to. Right now we don't need to worry about it because these guns and modifications are LEGAL. Most of these nut jobs did not do anything to really put them on the radar as far as doing something this horrific. So the Las Vegas shooter had no need to find illegally smuggled weapons. If we prevented them from being sold legally anymore we could also take effective steps in keeping them out of the country. If that WASN'T true, these things would be commonplace in the rest of the western world because the United States certainly does not have a monopoly on crazy unhinged maniacs who are capable -- with the right weapon in their hands -- of killing dozens or hundreds of people.

I also need to reiterate that no amount of mental health screening can prevent someone like the Las Vegas shooter if he doesn't show up on someone's radar as being this mentally unhinged. And no amount of the kinds of treatment medical science is currently able to provide and to understand will cure someone as sick as the people who have carried out these acts. They are as hopeless as pedophiles. Someday we probably will figure out the right chemical mix and therapy needed. We can cure some cancers now that we could not 50 or 75 years ago. In 1985 virtually everyone who contracted HIV died. Now, with aggressive care, most in this country can survive. Someday we might be able to fix someone as broke as the Las Vegas shooter. Until we can, lets make it impossible for him (or at least as unlikely as possible) to acquire the weapons and modifications needed to do this. Again, maybe armed with a trunk-full of semi auto handguns he could have destroyed some lives, but anything fewer than the 58 he killed or the other 400+ he injured would mean the world to the loved ones of those people who DID NOT die or get injured. We're not going to eliminate the mental illness or treat it effectively enough in those capable of massacre. But we can make weapons like this as hard to get as military style bombs. We need to do that, at least.

[The Rube]

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That's what makes the LV thing so maddening and sad. There was NOTHING to flag this guy. Frankly, it didn't matter how many guns he had. Half of his guns weren't even in the room, so that part of the equation probably should be tossed out (file it under "gun collector").

He was very intelligent, patient, creative, and wily. As of right now, from what we know, there was nothing "wrong" with him as far as any mental illness/etc. I really hope we can find some sort of probable reason as to why he did this, so we can learn from it. Right now, we can only say something flipped some switch in his head at some point in time, and he went off.

[Bigus Paulus]

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Well, that's funny because a hotel owner in Las Vegas does this very thing. And I'm fine with it. But, fine, it's stupid. What else you going to do? Metal Detectors? Turn hotels into the airport?

What hotel did this guy own? Was it one of the major casinos? I would be really surprised if it was.

This is more a general observation regarding 'do not disturb' signs. As for the 'do not disturb' signs, there is no way to know if a sign was on for 36 hours straight or more or if was removed for any time in between unless they have the room under constant surveillance. Mandalay Bay has 3500 plus rooms. Are suggesting they place cameras outside each room entrance to check for potentially suspicious activity?

BTW I've spent 300/night as well and would prefer housekeeping not to enter my room. It's all about choice.

[Bigus Paulus]

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That's what makes the LV thing so maddening and sad. There was NOTHING to flag this guy.

They may never find a motive other than he snapped and decided to kill a bunch of people. This is what scares people the most in my opinion.

The lone wolf with a desire to create mayhem and carnage is virtually unstoppable until it is too late.