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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    I was sitting across from the BU tunnel and when Quinn went out for the third period he blew off a couple kids who wanted a high five to have a moan at the referees. It was completely pathetic.

    I never thought the 'kentucky' model could be successful in college hockey. There are very few impact freshmen and you need guys who buy in to be successful.
    In basketball 5-7 guys in hockey 18-20. To much can go wrong. Not every superstar can play on PP or PK. Parker kept recruits and team to 23 max. How many in stands for BU? At Kentucky strong coach with broad experience and manageable ego around players read post interviews for Kentucky....at BU ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Zlax45 View Post
    No question the better goalie in Swayman should have been playing over both of them (stats clearly show he has been having a better season). Nice solid 3-0 win over Oettinger and BU on Saturday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber View Post
    What does this mean?

    “I’ve got a few theories, but I prefer to keep them to myself,” Quinn said on his team’s inconsistency. “[There is] a lot going on here. A lot going on for BU hockey.”
    Well the most recent DFP article has the quote a little different, which is still concerning, but in a different way:

    "[There is] a lot going on here. A lot going on other than BU Hockey"

    The first thing that comes to mind for me is distractions around draft, Olympics, etc.

    Either way, this has been an equally disappointing and maddening season.
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    Hard to believe that the best player game to game is Carpenter
    who is buried on the third line
    I like Melanson's game but he is not a scorer and should not be on top line
    Similar to last year when he refused to play Bellows with Keller despite their previous success together
    Mystifying how Greenway got selected to Olympic team- will be interesting to watch
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    Quote Originally Posted by BU Fan 84 View Post
    What article is this from?
    From the Boston Herald
    What did you say?
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    What did he say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank81 View Post
    In basketball 5-7 guys in hockey 18-20. To much can go wrong. Not every superstar can play on PP or PK. Parker kept recruits and team to 23 max. How many in stands for BU? At Kentucky strong coach with broad experience and manageable ego around players read post interviews for Kentucky....at BU ??
    Agreed. In hockey you are playing against some guys who are much older to. It's hard for an 18 year old to compete with a 24 or 25 year old.

    I think a big part of BU's problem, and this goes back for the 20+ years i've been watching college hockey, is that they never really have had much of an identity. It's clear Maine builds its program around a good goalie, working hard, and balanced scoring. BC during their run had small, quick forwards who would hang around three or four years. Quinn or whoever the next coach is needs to work out what BU wants to be. There have been a lot of years where BU makes the NCAA tourney and maybe even wins the beanpot or hockey east championship but you don't really view them as much of a threat as far as winning the NCAA title. I'm pretty sure that in the last 20 years they have only made two frozen fours.

    What's the story with Cloonan? I saw him early his freshman year and thought he looked decent enough. I wasn't heartbroken he didn't come to Maine but thought he was a guy who should score around 20 points a year and stay all four years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    What's the story with Cloonan? I saw him early his freshman year and thought he looked decent enough. I wasn't heartbroken he didn't come to Maine but thought he was a guy who should score around 20 points a year and stay all four years.
    Elite speed for the collegiate level, but literally can't do anything else. He hasn't scored a goal since fall 2015 and has only seven points over his sophomore and junior seasons. Works hard, stays out of the box, but he's been a complete non-factor offensively and for a small speedy forward that doesn't cut it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    Woll has a .913 save percentage in hockey east this year. So if he kinda sucks i'm not sure what that says for Oettinger who has a .906 in league play and a better team on paper in front of him than Woll. In the end i don't think it would have mattered which one played against Sweden.
    Generally agree here, Sweden was the better team on the ice that night by a good amount. Jake's only true meaningful play came in the Canada game since the bronze game was a laugher pretty quickly. While he struggled a bit against Canada, the game conditions there make it very difficult to draw any true judgement of his performance. If you're only going to give a kid one shot in the tournament, why it would be in very poor ice/weather conditions against the best team, have him perform reasonably well then not start him again in a meaningful game...confusing. Not to mention giving Swayman no look whatsoever when neither Woll or Jake were shutting out the opposition each night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brassbonanza View Post
    Generally agree here, Sweden was the better team on the ice that night by a good amount. Jake's only true meaningful play came in the Canada game since the bronze game was a laugher pretty quickly. While he struggled a bit against Canada, the game conditions there make it very difficult to draw any true judgement of his performance. If you're only going to give a kid one shot in the tournament, why it would be in very poor ice/weather conditions against the best team, have him perform reasonably well then not start him again in a meaningful game...confusing. Not to mention giving Swayman no look whatsoever when neither Woll or Jake were shutting out the opposition each night.
    I didn't expect Swayman to get in at all. I figured he was like Oettinger last year - here for the experience so next year you can be in good shape to play well.

    I was disappointed with how Oettinger was used, but I was willing to give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea how these guys looked in practice. If Oettinger was playing at BU the way he looked last year, then I would have had more of a beef.
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    Swayman is 19 so i'm not sure he's eligible next year. Not sure what the cutoff date is. As an example oettinger born dec 18. He'll be 20 next year but what's the cutoff date to be eligible? Have to be 19 the day the tourney starts?

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    Swayman is ineligible next year, he's older than Jake. I thought the whole thing was incredibly puzzling when I learned that too. I'd imagine the goaltending next year is something like St. Cyr, Primeau, and Petruzelli, with the former starting because NTDP. Maybe leave one off for an 18 year old unlike what they did this year.
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    Not going to talk about the game because the less said the better ó though I will say I thought the first period was a really solid period of hockey for both teams before it all went downhill once the second period started. Instead, two quick things....

    1.) I was a bit surprised there was no mention or recognition of the players who were back from the WJCs. Are they waiting till Fabbro is back in the lineup?
    2.) An on-site promotion plus scoreboard ad for Liam Neesonís new movie? First time Iíve seen that. Is there an alum tie in I missed??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevengeance View Post
    Swayman is ineligible next year, he's older than Jake. I thought the whole thing was incredibly puzzling when I learned that too. I'd imagine the goaltending next year is something like St. Cyr, Primeau, and Petruzelli, with the former starting because NTDP. Maybe leave one off for an 18 year old unlike what they did this year.
    The cutoff is January 1 - so it's a purely birth year issue. Next year is for '99s and younger only. Primeau has been great at NU, for a team that has long struggled with goaltending. Tournament starts today he's probably the guy.

    St Cyr and Petruzzelli are currently clear backups to sophomores. Either or both could win the job next year, but right now enough PT to win a spot looks like it could be at least an issue for both.

    Adam Scheel is a '99 (NTDP alum, now BCHL) who could start as a freshman at NoDak next year. Drew DeRidder (NTDP) is an '00 who could start right away at Michigan State. Top freshman goalies could also start at Minnesota and PC if the incumbent JRs leave early...

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    As for the BU/UK comparisons...

    One year UK missed the NCAA Tournament and lost to Robert Morris in the NIT. They didn't scrap their strategy of recruiting top talent and they've been in the title mix every year since. BU will be in the NCAA title mix 8/9 out of every ten years if they continue to recruit like this. All you can ask for is a chance and they'll have them moving forward in spades...

    They're hurt this year by unexpected departures like Bellows and JFK. Next year they will return most every upperclassmen outside of Greenway and be much older and deeper. You guys are spoiled. Enjoy the talent and know this is simply a down year. And one with the talent potential to still make a run in he second half...

    Two years ago you were in the title game. Last year you lost in OT in a regional final to the national runner up. All with this recruiting strategy. Next year you'll be a favorite. Let's not over react...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    The cutoff is January 1 - so it's a purely birth year issue. Next year is for '99s and younger only. Primeau has been great at NU, for a team that has long struggled with goaltending. Tournament starts today he's probably the guy.

    St Cyr and Petruzzelli are currently clear backups to sophomores. Either or both could win the job next year, but right now enough PT to win a spot looks like it could be at least an issue for both.

    Adam Scheel is a '99 (NTDP alum, now BCHL) who could start as a freshman at NoDak next year. Drew DeRidder (NTDP) is an '00 who could start right away at Michigan State. Top freshman goalies could also start at Minnesota and PC if the incumbent JRs leave early...

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    As for the BU/UK comparisons...

    One year UK missed the NCAA Tournament and lost to Robert Morris in the NIT. They didn't scrap their strategy of recruiting top talent and they've been in the title mix every year since. BU will be in the NCAA title mix 8/9 out of every ten years if they continue to recruit like this. All you can ask for is a chance and they'll have them moving forward in spades...

    They're hurt this year by unexpected departures like Bellows and JFK. Next year they will return most every upperclassmen outside of Greenway and be much older and deeper. You guys are spoiled. Enjoy the talent and know this is simply a down year. And one with the talent potential to still make a run in he second half...

    Two years ago you were in the title game. Last year you lost in OT in a regional final to the national runner up. All with this recruiting strategy. Next year you'll be a favorite. Let's not over react...
    True impact upperclassmen skater next year, assuming no unusual departures and Fabbro/Greenway leaving as expected:
    Krys
    Carpenter
    Harper
    Curry/Chabot/Cloonan - borderline impact level depending on how much PT they get

    Not exactly loaded. Of course whether Jake can rebound from this sophomore slump will be a component, whether we roll Yahtzee and Fabbro and/or Greenway stays. Most important in my view will be the progression of this year's freshman class into sophomores, but of course the ever-present theme around here of which of them stays and who decides to be the next Bellows and go MJ.
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    They were a favorite this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by brassbonanza View Post
    True impact upperclassmen skater next year, assuming no unusual departures and Fabbro/Greenway leaving as expected:
    Krys
    Carpenter
    Harper
    Curry/Chabot/Cloonan - borderline impact level depending on how much PT they get

    Not exactly loaded. Of course whether Jake can rebound from this sophomore slump will be a component, whether we roll Yahtzee and Fabbro and/or Greenway stays. Most important in my view will be the progression of this year's freshman class into sophomores, but of course the ever-present theme around here of which of them stays and who decides to be the next Bellows and go MJ.
    I don't think it's a given that Fabbro leaves, but assuming he does that still leaves Carpenter, Harper, Krys and Oettinger (who will bounce back), who will give BU as good an upperclassmen quartet as anyone.

    And the biggest jump kids make is between freshman to sophomore year. Tkachuk, Bowers, Cockerill should join the two upperclassmen Fs as, at least, PPG guys. The three FR D should be much much improved...

    Finally, you're adding another total haul of a FR class. Farabee shoukd be great right away. Wise, DeBoer and Weiss should, worst case, give you a higher class of role player and could easily be more. Blixt as your 5th/6th D illustrates your depth. Loaded!

    I - and I'm sure other HE fans - would love for you guys to be terrible, but objectively that's not going to happen. I think a lot of BU fans are to close to the program and don't realize how enviable their current situation really is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    They were a favorite this year
    I know you'd love to see your rival down for an extended period of time and I'm sure you're enjoying it this year - but cmon, you've been a HE fan long enough to know that's not going to be the case and that BUs recruiting is a huge benefit to their program not a detriment...

    They were a favorite this year in a toss-up league. The last two years and next year will be different. Lucky for you BC recruits at a high level, too, and will also be in the mix.

    Hey, if the BU crowd wants to run Quinn out if town, I'm not going to stop them. So I'll bow out. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevengeance View Post
    Swayman is ineligible next year, he's older than Jake. I thought the whole thing was incredibly puzzling when I learned that too. I'd imagine the goaltending next year is something like St. Cyr, Primeau, and Petruzelli, with the former starting because NTDP. Maybe leave one off for an 18 year old unlike what they did this year.
    This makes it even more puzzling why Swayman didn't get a legit look between the pipes as he has been better than both Oettinger and Woll in Hockey East play with a less talented squad in front of him.
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    You simply don't get it zlax (shocker). Once again, Woll was very good in the WJC last year. That was always going to be a factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I know you'd love to see your rival down for an extended period of time and I'm sure you're enjoying it this year - but cmon, you've been a HE fan long enough to know that's not going to be the case and that BUs recruiting is a huge benefit to their program not a detriment...

    They were a favorite this year in a toss-up league. The last two years and next year will be different. Lucky for you BC recruits at a high level, too, and will also be in the mix.

    Hey, if the BU crowd wants to run Quinn out if town, I'm not going to stop them. So I'll bow out. Carry on...
    They weren't just a favorite in hockey east. I think they were preseason #2. It's just my opinion but i think a lot of BU fans agree. Quinn is a great recruiter but coaching is still a question mark.

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