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    What I founder interesting is my father, who is keplerian in his liberalism, wasn't necessarily for means testing. He's an interesting man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    Depending on where you live that is true.
    San Francisco is one of those places. You qualify for Govt. Assistance if you make 90k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    San Francisco is one of those places. You qualify for Govt. Assistance if you make 90k.
    Compared to housing prices in San Francisco, places in my town are cheap, but even so a household (could even an individual) making 90K here would qualify for housing assistance through a local "workforce housing" program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Probably because it isn't true. It's one of those internet tropes that gets repeated willy-nilly by those who want to believe. David Koch was a donor and on the board of trustees for WGBH (PBS Boston) for years. This was eventually conflated into "The Koch's bought PBS!" Koch resigned in 2013 and hasn't been a donor since. He's not on the NPR board. And NPR checked a while back and they could find no record of Koch's ever giving anything to NPR. Not that they couldn't be giving. Just that apparently nobody at NPR knows about it which would seem to be an odd way of going about controlling NPR.
    I've heard "this program was supported by Koch Industries" on my local public radio station many times when they give short "advertisements" for companies that help underwrite the programming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    Compared to housing prices in San Francisco, places in my town are cheap, but even so a household (could even an individual) making 90K here would qualify for housing assistance through a local "workforce housing" program.
    The housing in San Fran is nuts. Gf's cousin lives in the burbs and the last time they were looking they put in a bid 90k above asking and they didnt even get a call back

    Hell dog walkers in that town make 90k...
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    Jones Act will be waived. Apparently the ports weren't that crowded. Now to make Puerto Rico a permanent exception, like the USVI, or disbanding it all together so that Hawaii, Alaska, and other territories are no longer weighed down with needless extra costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    Sorry, I was referring to ending the state tax deduction. I obviously did a horrible job wording my post(not for the first time.) The plan floated is a complete disaster. I'd keep the estate tax(George Washington was completely against transferring wealth between generations), get rid of or cap deductions to only benefit people who make under $200K, raise the top rate to 40%, and increase the standard deduction.
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    The Kochs are not on the board of NPR...they didnt buy it either. Kep you need to vett your sources better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    The housing in San Fran is nuts. Gf's cousin lives in the burbs and the last time they were looking they put in a bid 90k above asking and they didnt even get a call back

    Hell dog walkers in that town make 90k...
    Things are worse in Silicon Valley too -- I knew a guy that was commuting from San Francisco to Cupertino to work for Apple -- eventually he bought a place in somewhere in the valley but it cost him over a million for a place that would be 300K here. I just saw that a place in Sunnyvale recently sold for almost 800K over asking (asking was like 1.6 million for a <2000 square foot 4 bed 2 bath). Sunnyvale used to have more modestly priced real estate compared to near by Mountain View or Palo Alto -- ridiculous overbidding was common in those places for a while. Now it looks like anyone that isn't rich is going to get pushed out of Sunnyvale too (but it borders Mountain View -- home to Google and Cupertino -- home to Apple so you had to expect it at some point)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    The Kochs are not on the board of NPR...they didnt buy it either. Kep you need to vett your sources better.
    Sources? I always assumed he was his own "source."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    I've heard "this program was supported by Koch Industries" on my local public radio station many times when they give short "advertisements" for companies that help underwrite the programming.
    I can't speak to what you personally heard. Here's the 2016 NPR annual report. Neither of the Koch brothers, or Koch Industries, or any of their subsidiaries appear on the long list of Philanthropic donors or Corporate sponsors. The charge made was that Koch is on NPR's board and/or Koch money has turned NPR into a conservative mouthpiece because it's beholden to Koch billions for support. I imagine it's possible that they have given nominal donations to individual stations which in turn produce some program or another. I don't know and I'm not searching every NPR station to find out. But even if they do that hardly makes Steve Inskeep and Rachel Martin, etc. shills for the Koch brothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    I can't speak to what you personally heard. Here's the 2016 NPR annual report. Neither of the Koch brothers, or Koch Industries, or any of their subsidiaries appear on the long list of Philanthropic donors or Corporate sponsors. The charge made was that Koch is on NPR's board and/or Koch money has turned NPR into a conservative mouthpiece because it's beholden to Koch billions for support. I imagine it's possible that they have given nominal donations to individual stations which in turn produce some program or another. I don't know and I'm not searching every NPR station to find out. But even if they do that hardly makes Steve Inskeep and Rachel Martin, etc. shills for the Koch brothers.
    I figured it out -- it's "Marketplace" that I hear the Koch Industry add, which is produced by WGBH, which receives money from Koch Industries.
    He was able to get Independent Television Service (part of PBS that funds and distributes independent films) to pull it's funding for "Citizen Koch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Make entitlements into charity. Means test the f-ck out of them. Raise the estate tax on assets over $10M to 75%, $100M to 99%, $1B to 99.9%.
    Which would essentially kill any chance that I would be able to carry on my family's farm, after my grandpa passes away. It's only been in the family for 100+ years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    Things are worse in Silicon Valley too -- I knew a guy that was commuting from San Francisco to Cupertino to work for Apple -- eventually he bought a place in somewhere in the valley but it cost him over a million for a place that would be 300K here. I just saw that a place in Sunnyvale recently sold for almost 800K over asking (asking was like 1.6 million for a <2000 square foot 4 bed 2 bath). Sunnyvale used to have more modestly priced real estate compared to near by Mountain View or Palo Alto -- ridiculous overbidding was common in those places for a while. Now it looks like anyone that isn't rich is going to get pushed out of Sunnyvale too (but it borders Mountain View -- home to Google and Cupertino -- home to Apple so you had to expect it at some point)
    That makes me feel better living around Boston! Saw in the WSJ today that the Boston market apparently isn't overpriced. According to the article Toronto and Vancouver have the most overpriced real estate in North America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigblue_dl View Post
    Which would essentially kill any chance that I would be able to carry on my family's farm, after my grandpa passes away. It's only been in the family for 100+ years.
    I doubt Kepler cares; he wants your money!

    And for his favored corporations that push his agenda, I'm sure there's a loophole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Sources? I always assumed he was his own "source."
    Kep's sources are George Soros's brainwashing think tanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigblue_dl View Post
    Which would essentially kill any chance that I would be able to carry on my family's farm, after my grandpa passes away. It's only been in the family for 100+ years.
    Oh noes. Instead you'd have to live off the proceeds of selling at least 10 million in land, even after taxes. The horrors.

    And if you haven't already incorporated your family farm (or LLC or some other formal business structure), that in and of itself is gross mismanagement.
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    Jones Act will be waived. Apparently the ports weren't that crowded. Now to make Puerto Rico a permanent exception, like the USVI, or disbanding it all together so that Hawaii, Alaska, and other territories are no longer weighed down with needless extra costs.
    It's not just limited to the territories, and not just ships, either; we'd also need to consider planes, which have to follow the same regulations. However, we're in between a rock and a hard place. It's not good practice to run this sort of business in the US because of high taxes, but you're not allowed to use a foreign company domestically. However, if we were to take "America First" literally, then the Jones Act isn't going anywhere. So which way do you go? Do you lower artificial costs imposed on Americans and give them a chance to succeed in a worldwide market, or do you surrender your industry to foreign competition and let them take you over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Oh noes. Instead you'd have to live off the proceeds of selling at least 10 million in land, even after taxes. The horrors.

    And if you haven't already incorporated your family farm, that in and of itself is gross mismanagement.
    I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigblue_dl View Post
    I wouldn't expect you to understand.
    Not sure any of them understand not only where food comes from, but the value of the hard work that your family puts in day after day. They're just pushing Agenda 2030, where no one owns anything.
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