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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    The way I read the Alabama race, for most righties getting the Itch endorsement is the kiss of death. Couple that with Trump's relatively lukewarm (more like warmed over) endorsement of Strange and there you have it. I don't know about other races except for Arizona where Flake who Trump hates is facing a challenge from the right. Look for that person to tie Flake to Itch like they're having a passionate love affair as that seems to be the way to win a GOP primary.

    PS - I hear from insider polling that now only half of the Beltway media still consider McConnell to be a political genius....
    The Supreme Court issue got Trump elected and they delivered. They may end up being rewarded for that. That honeymoon isn't over yet. There's a couple more justices close to retiring and that's enough for that base+others to come out and vote regardless who wins their primaries.
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    The Supreme Court issue got Trump elected and they delivered. They may end up being rewarded for that. That honeymoon isn't over yet. There's a couple more justices close to retiring and that's enough for that base+others to come out and vote regardless who wins their primaries.
    Nobody on the Court is going to retire while that fool is in office. They might die, but they aint leaving of their own accord.
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    Another good article about the Moore 'situation'...http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...f-the-gop.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    On a ship or as a tourist?

    It's so awesome that you so easily brush off the only way Puerto Rico gets stuff as it should be so easy, so they don't need the same shipping waiver that Florida and Texas really didn't need.

    Btw, the waiver also allows the cruise ships to move people between US ports, too.

    Thanks for caring. Shows your true colors.
    Neither. I flew to PR and toured shipping facilities, but not as a tourist.

    There are thousands of shipping containers of supplies sitting on the docks in San Juan Harbor right now. There are thousands more already there waiting to offload. And thousands more enroute. There is a Tanker off loading fuel right now at the Puma Energy dock in San Juan Harbor. There are three more Tankers waiting. There are passenger ships stacked up at the dock. There is, AFAIK, no tanker at Yabucoa, but a) I'm not even sure if it was an operating facility three weeks ago and b) Maria hit there pretty much directly.

    The problem at the moment IS NOT ship availability. It's Port space. It's distribution. It's trucks. It's getting the stuff from the port to the people. And 10, 50, or 100 more tankers is not going to put one drop more fuel into PR as it stands. 1000 ships are useless if you can't put them at a dock.


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    “The limitation is going to be port capacity to offload and transfer cargo, not vessel availability. ”
    What part of this is so hard to understand?

    Irma's eye wall missed my house by about 10 miles. I'm both familiar with what kind of devastion a hurricane can cause, and very sympathetic to the plight of those affected as I've spent much of the last two weeks volunteering to help those with greater losses than mine. You can shove the "thanks for caring" bit.
    I hope your friends and family are alright and all get relief as soon as is humanly possible. It's horrible to be in the situation many of our fellow Americans in PR, Florida, and TX are in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Nobody on the Court is going to retire while that fool is in office. They might die, but they aint leaving of their own accord.
    Thomas might, but he'd be the only one. Breyer, Kennedy, and RBG surely won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/26/o...imes&smtyp=cur



    Really need to read the whole thing to understand it. But this article more than any teaches the lesson of 2016.
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    stupid republicans

    i'm going to come out and say that I probably don't pay enough taxes. Yes, some stupid righty will say "there is nothing stopping you from cutting a check and sending it to the U.S. treasury". Well instead of doing that, I contribute to multiple conservation organizations (Friends of Katahdin Woods and Waters National Monument, Natural Resources Council of Maine, Maine Coast Heritage Trust, Downeast Lakes Land Trust, Maine Farmland Trust, Access Fund, etc), which I view as additional tax that I _need_ to pay. I'd have no problem paying additional federal taxes on top of this, but only if that is combined with a massive reduction in defense spending. Having a few people volunteer to do so isn't going to fix it, everyone needs to pay more (well, maybe not everyone, but at lest anyone making over 100K). Even proposing tax cuts is irresponsible right now.
    people making only 100k are working poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    people making only 100k are working poor.
    The definitions are interesting and vary widely. I looked up what middle class means a while ago, it varies from middle 20% to everyone but the top and bottom margins. It varies by locality also, when I looked myself up on some calculator (maybe it's on cnn money?) I found out that in Houghton Co. MI the middle class starts at about $28K (annual household) and puts me at the top of the middle class which is bizarre... I would be considered poor as dirt in a normal place (but upper class in the Philippines so...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    The definitions are interesting and vary widely. I looked up what middle class means a while ago, it varies from middle 20% to everyone but the top and bottom margins. It varies by locality also, when I looked myself up on some calculator (maybe it's on cnn money?) I found out that in Houghton Co. MI the middle class starts at about $28K (annual household) and puts me at the top of the middle class which is bizarre... I would be considered poor as dirt in a normal place (but upper class in the Philippines so...)
    It's all in your perspective.
    It always has and should depend on the cost of living in the area you live. The numbers change throughout the country and the world. Unfortunately certain elected government officials manipulate the numbers for their own purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    It always has and should depend on the cost of living in the area you live.
    I agree that it should, but it doesn't. It depends on the area's income stats. Our cost of living is far higher than the national average (things like utilities, gas, bandwidth, and groceries are really expensive to get to the UP) but our income is far lower so the calculator put me at upper middle class even though my income is below average.
    BUT you could be right, I only looked at the CNN calculator so there may be more sensible definitions out there that consider cost of living. Which puts me in "steerage" class.
    edit again: the one cheap thing is housing, a decent 2000 s.f. house is $300/month because we live in a ghost town, I'm not sure how that affects overall "cost of living."
    Edit again: It does make a big difference considering housing is 1/8 of the cost of my last home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Any bill that cuts the current top marginal rate should be a non-starter. Trickle-down is a philosophy of failure.
    Somebody needs to remind our current mainstream media of that notion, NPR especially. Listening to the talking heads allowed to posit this utterly failed tax scheme as both a viable plan and acting like it is some new thought reminds me of why I have lost any of the respect I used to have for NPR. People who think the mainstream media is liberal are fools, as -- at least where it matter most -- they seem to me to be about a half a yard to the left of Paul Ryan economically. If that.

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    In addition, they talk about doubling the standard deduction, but in reality, they're simply folding the personal deduction into the standard deduction, and increasing that total a little bit, like $1500 maybe. Not double. Then they start taxing your first dollar earned at 12% instead of 10%, so yeah, there's some serious middle income tax relief right there.

    Then, you can't claim deductions for your kids anymore.

    Hey, but rich people like Donald Trump, who make most of their money through pass-through businesses, can see their top rate fall from 35% to 25%, so you can see why Trumpy likes it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    Somebody needs to remind our current mainstream media of that notion, NPR especially. Listening to the talking heads allowed to posit this utterly failed tax scheme as both a viable plan and acting like it is some new thought reminds me of why I have lost any of the respect I used to have for NPR. People who think the mainstream media is liberal are fools, as -- at least where it matter most -- they seem to me to be about a half a yard to the left of Paul Ryan economically. If that.
    They helped normalize the queers, so they're uber-liberal. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    Somebody needs to remind our current mainstream media of that notion, NPR especially. Listening to the talking heads allowed to posit this utterly failed tax scheme as both a viable plan and acting like it is some new thought reminds me of why I have lost any of the respect I used to have for NPR. People who think the mainstream media is liberal are fools, as -- at least where it matter most -- they seem to me to be about a half a yard to the left of Paul Ryan economically. If that.
    Koch sits on the NPR board, now. They're completely beholden to rich donors, they're not going to say a peep about inequality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    In addition, they talk about doubling the standard deduction, but in reality, they're simply folding the personal deduction into the standard deduction, and increasing that total a little bit, like $1500 maybe. Not double. Then they start taxing your first dollar earned at 12% instead of 10%, so yeah, there's some serious middle income tax relief right there.

    Then, you can't claim deductions for your kids anymore.

    Hey, but rich people like Donald Trump, who make most of their money through pass-through businesses, can see their top rate fall from 35% to 25%, so you can see why Trumpy likes it.
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    Koch sits on the NPR board, now. They're completely beholden to rich donors, they're not going to say a peep about inequality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    Somebody needs to remind our current mainstream media of that notion, NPR especially. Listening to the talking heads allowed to posit this utterly failed tax scheme as both a viable plan and acting like it is some new thought reminds me of why I have lost any of the respect I used to have for NPR. People who think the mainstream media is liberal are fools, as -- at least where it matter most -- they seem to me to be about a half a yard to the left of Paul Ryan economically. If that.
    Yeah NPR has lost pretty much all credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Koch sits on the NPR board, now. They're completely beholden to rich donors, they're not going to say a peep about inequality.
    I just checked their board of directors and couldn't find that. Do they have a patsy or something?
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    Oh FFS, we're writing off NPR as the new Breitbart just because they might have allowed one RWNJ into management?
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    Oh FFS, we're writing off NPR as the new Breitbart just because they might have allowed one RWNJ into management?
    To be fair they have cancelled stories because they offended donors. That would not have happened with old NPR.


    "Citizen Koch," a documentary about money in politics focused on the Wisconsin uprising, was shunned by PBS for fear of offending billionaire industrialist David Koch, who has given $23 million to public television, according to Jane Mayer of the New Yorker. The dispute highlights the increasing role of private money in "public" television and raises even further concerns about the Kochs potentially purchasing eight major daily newspapers.

    The film from Academy Award-nominated filmmakers Carl Deal and Tia Lessin documents how the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United decision helped pave the way for secret political spending by players like the Kochs, who contributed directly and indirectly to the election of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker in 2010 and came to his aid again when the battle broke out over his effort to limit collective bargaining.

    Originally slated to appear on PBS stations nationwide as part of the "Independent Lens" series, "Citizen Koch" had its funding pulled after David Koch was offended by another PBS documentary critical of the billionaire industrialists.

    "People like the Kochs have worked for decades to undermine public funding for institutions like PBS," Deal told the Center for Media and Democracy. "When public dollars dry up, private dollars come in to make up for the shortfall."

    And that private funding can conflict with PBS' "public" mission and its editorial integrity. The PBS distributor "backed out of the partnership because they came to fear the reaction our film would provoke," Deal and Lessin said in a statement. "David Koch, whose political activities are featured in the film, happens to be a public-television funder and a trustee of both [New York PBS member station] WNET and [Boston member station] WGBH. This wasn’t a failed negotiation or a divergence of visions; it was censorship, pure and simple.”

    It's recoverable. 99.99% of the people involved in NPR and public media are liberal because, well, they're smart. The few Deranged Billionaires they have gotten into bed with might only be a temporary convenience. But for now, anyway, not a lot of help is going to come from that quarter. They aren't Breitbart, but they are limited, like anybody who has to dance with the f-cking fascist f-cks.
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