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    Hopefully the goalies coming in are good but I think we just went from contender to pretender without playing a single game....ouch
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    Re: Colgate 2017-18

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    Being a B's fan I like that Wagner is coming
    I remember watching him in Atlantic City back in 2011 against Dartmouth and being very impressed by the way he played.

    the only problem is they're deep in young forwards already.
    They are, but he's a seasoned vet compared to all the young talent they have.
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    Also a reliable face off guy and physical presence in the last few years...Somebody that can be relied upon to control puck and score from time to time. Still fast and fun to watch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by red133883 View Post
    Hopefully the goalies coming in are good but I think we just went from contender to pretender without playing a single game....ouch
    I’m more worried about offense. As great as Point played last year we still finished 6th because no one could put the puck in the net.

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    Losing Point is a huge loss. He single handedly carried Vaughan's team last season. IMO he should have stayed one more year to season and dominate the college level, let alone win a championship. Maybe Vaughan will have his team playing a different style next season?

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    Dallas is now more than stacked at the goalie position...one wonders if we had a little more overall team talent...would he have stayed? The young man from the AJHL has more than good #s, but scoring 2 to 2.25 goals/game this year will not get it done...good question regarding "style" of team going forward...Magoo, as usual, hits the nail on the head...and overall recruiting since the advent of the new arena is better, but, at this point, only marginally so...

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    Bummer news at just about the time I start to think about the upcoming season. I doubt that the potential competitiveness of next years team had much of anything to do with the decision. These guys get signing bonuses of just north of $92,000 with a minor league salary at $70,000 - game check for any call up is in the $10,000 range. That's a heck of a head start on life to risk injury (or lackluster play taking you off the board) for a potential college championship. The situation in Dallas looks pretty ideal too. Bishop and Khudobin are in their early thirties with Khudobin on a 2 year deal and Bishop signed for 5. Can't think of a college goalie who made the jump straight to the NHL in the modern age - two to six in the minors to develop seems to be what the current NHL starters from the college ranks have put in. That would mean, best case potential, that as Khudobin's contract is coming to a close, Colton is pushing to move up. A couple of years as a back-up to Bishop to develop and acclimate before taking over the reigns as the #1. Lots of ifs in that scenario, but Dallas is only set for goaltending in the short term.

    Hopefully the young guys are ready at goalie and our growing roster of good/not great forwards can develop a score by committee mentality. Don't suspect we'll set the world on fire early but hoping for a strong finish isn't entirely unreasonable

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    Just tuned in.....bummer.
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    I don't think it has to do with overall team talent, especially considering we see bolts for the pros all the time, even with teams having relatively more overall talent than what TGC was insinuating. The carrots are just getting fatter and juicier these days. However, if it worked for Kinkaid from Union (he also left sophomore year), it could work out for Point, especially considering how well he performed even outside the collegiate scene. For some reason, I thought he was a freshman, in which case I would have thought he was making a huge mistake. Something tells me, though, you'll be hearing Point's name in the NHL within the next few years. One thing we always have to remember, despite our love for our respective teams, is that we are still an effective juniors league, and most are aspiring to make that next step to the professional level. Always be proud of his accomplishments and his roots.
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    I think Point saw an opportunity and grabbed it; I certainly can’t fault him for that. I think it has to do far more with him going for the brass ring than him thinking ‘Gate is subpar. From his perspective, the biggest competition in the Dallas organization is a guy the same age as him taken in the 1st Round. Obviously, at that stage the Stars regarded Oettinger as the superior talent. With Point’s epic season last year, he has been given a chance to flip the depth chart. By beating his competition into the system he is giving himself a year’s head start on acclimating to the pro game. If all goes well, he can cement himself as the #1 goaltending prospect for the Stars going forward. In fact, if he really makes it clear he’s #1, maybe Oettinger stays at BU all four years so he can become a free agent to sign somewhere else where HE has a better chance. I completely get his point of view.
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    That said, there is no way to frame this as anything other than an unmitigated disaster for the prospects of the ‘18-‘19 ‘Gate squad. As much as I think the team improved last year (particularly in terms of markedly better defensive responsibility), Point was by miles our best player. Unless one of these frosh is a revelation, we’re screwed.
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    And how does it even work having two goalies? Are we going to recruit a third? I’d think we’d have to. What if someone gets hurt?

    Is there any other school in the country with *NO* returning goalies?

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    I'm tired of the kumbaya here. Whatever happened to loyalty? When a player signs a letter of intent is there a clause in there that says "I'll commit to Colgate's hockey program(...unless there's $$$ on the table, in which case I'll bolt to the pros.") I know times have changed and one has to look at the future, but remember we're a D-1 college with a great academic reputation and great athletic tradition. What would happen to our teams if every pro prospect left Hamilton their sophomore or junior year? Think about it. How would our football team field a competitive squad if the best players left to play Arena Football? Or if the best women hockey players left for the pros?

    I'm just sayin' - loyalty to one's school means a lot. Finish what you start. Whatever happened to maintaining a commitment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColSkate65 View Post
    When a player signs a letter of intent is there a clause in there that says "I'll commit to Colgate's hockey program(...unless there's $$$ on the table, in which case I'll bolt to the pros.")
    I'm not positive but I think the NLI is only valid for 1 year the same way scholarships are only awarded 1 year at a time.

    I do agree about the loyalty aspect but when you're pursuing a dream it changes most folks.
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    Try this:

    You're offered a 4 year full ride to study chemical engineering. You carry a 4.0 and after your sophomore year internship at Exxon-Mobil, they offer you a job paying 6 figures, plus they'll fund the rest of your education.

    Should you stay or go?

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    I'm not positive but I think the NLI is only valid for 1 year the same way scholarships are only awarded 1 year at a time.

    I do agree about the loyalty aspect but when you're pursuing a dream it changes most folks.
    You are absolutely correct about the NLI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Try this:

    You're offered a 4 year full ride to study chemical engineering. You carry a 4.0 and after your sophomore year internship at Exxon-Mobil, they offer you a job paying 6 figures, plus they'll fund the rest of your education.

    Should you stay or go?
    Stay...to finish out the 4 years. Make Exxon-Mobil understand that you want to fulfill your commitment to college and you'll take the 6 figure salary after the 4 years....just sayin'.....plus you'll be more mature ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColSkate65 View Post
    Stay...to finish out the 4 years. Make Exxon-Mobil understand that you want to fulfill your commitment to college and you'll take the 6 figure salary after the 4 years....just sayin'.....plus you'll be more mature ;-)
    Only because Exxon-Mobil requires the degree in order to be able to work for them, yet they see the potential that they want to lock up the rights to you now.

    College hockey, like pretty much every league except for the NHL, is a development league. If the kid isn't ready for the pros, this gives them a chance to development their talents and fulfill their potential. They're not going to sign a kid without offering at least a two-way contract involving the NHL. Obviously hockey's drafting system is very unique compared to other sports in that they recognize the need to develop, and therefore holds the rights for four years instead of requiring immediate signing. There's no requirement to have a college degree, or be a certain number of years removed from schooling, like the NBA and NFL have, to join the professional ranks in this line. And before you think about wanting said requirement for hockey, may I remind you that college hockey is not monopolistic, unlike other sports, and any kid with any sort of aspiration to go to the professional ranks, which in D-I is pretty much everyone, will go to Major Junior because of the artificial requirement.

    Point is not abandoning Colgate. The powers that be, along with himself, believe he's ready to take the next step in his career to the professional level. That's the nature of a development league. Sure, sometimes it will work out well, and sometimes it will be a bust, as we've seen plenty of times in both directions from many teams. The best thing that can be done is to support the kid that effectively "grew up in your backyard" as he tests his wings in the wide world, as he will always have roots with Colgate.
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    According to Heisenberg, Jared Marino has decommitted from coming. Also Heisenberg says Arnaud Vachon is coming this year but college commitments says 2019, does anyone know ?
    It all starts with the goaltending.

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