MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

[dxmnkd316]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

I mean, he’s not necessarily wrong. I wouldn’t mind kicking all of the drug users out if it meant keeping the HOF clean.

[joecct]

I mean, he’s not necessarily wrong. I wouldn’t mind kicking all of the drug users out if it meant keeping the HOF clean.

The minute Bud Selig got in, that opens the door to all the PED users.

[The Rube]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

I mean, he’s not necessarily wrong. I wouldn’t mind kicking all of the drug users out if it meant keeping the HOF clean.

It's a conundrum. Many point out Greenies and such back in the day, but they weren't illegal in baseball back then, IIRC. So when were they banned?

One can take the moral stance, or one can take the legal stance. And there's the issue.

[Kepler]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

It's a conundrum. Many point out Greenies and such back in the day, but they weren't illegal in baseball back then, IIRC.

I'm pretty sure they were illegal period.

[Kepler]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

I mean, he’s not necessarily wrong. I wouldn’t mind kicking all of the drug users out if it meant keeping the HOF clean.

I'm sure Joe Morgan gobbled amphetamines and coke like every other baseball player between 1965 and... now.

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

I mean, he’s not necessarily wrong. I wouldn’t mind kicking all of the drug users out if it meant keeping the HOF clean.

But up to a certain point in time, they were not against baseball rules to use them.

Take the Olympics for instance and how drugs come and go from the banned list. Take that drug that Sherapova got banned in tennis for. Before 2017, it was perfectly legal. Then, it wasn't. Had she stopped using it when she should have, she would have been fine. So, are you saying all of the records of all the tennis players and Olympians who used that drug prior to 2017 should be wiped off the books?

Of course not. It's either legal or not. And if it's legal, players will use it. And they are not wrong in doing so. And you can bet your house there were players using steroids for decades until the press and fans caught up to the fact. After all, they were known by the Olympic movement for decades. Don't think other sports didn't know about them long before they eventually banned them.

[dxmnkd316]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

Hyperbolic but it’s not specifically against the rules to shoot a guy but Aaron Hernandez did it anyways.

When something is illegal to do in general, there shouldn’t need to be a specific rule to prevent it.

[JF_Gophers]

Hyperbolic but it’s not specifically against the rules to shoot a guy but Aaron Hernandez did it anyways.

When something is illegal to do in general, there shouldn’t need to be a specific rule to prevent it.

But, some of those things weren't illegal, even by law.

Not all enhancement drugs are illegal to use.

[The Rube]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

Hyperbolic but it’s not specifically against the rules to shoot a guy but Aaron Hernandez did it anyways.

When something is illegal to do in general, there shouldn’t need to be a specific rule to prevent it.

Players' unions' contracts. IIRC, an NBA guy got busted at the border with Molly or something, which obviously is illegal overall, but it was NOT on the "banned" list in the union contract, so the NBA couldn't really punish him. Some of these things also simply fall under "image" or "general conduct" rules, with limits on punishments (see: the NFL).

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

Hyperbolic but it’s not specifically against the rules to shoot a guy but Aaron Hernandez did it anyways.

When something is illegal to do in general, there shouldn’t need to be a specific rule to prevent it.

You can get steroids legally from a doctor.

And that drug Sherapova was taking was taken within completely legal means. She had a legal prescription for it.

And how about the blood doping stuff a lot of cyclists were doing? Where they take a pint of blood out of you, oxygenate it, and put it back into you. It's your own blood. Oxygen is not a drug. So, what's illegal about that? But guess what, that procedure was banned under performance enhancing reasons.

Your point is voided.

[dxmnkd316]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

Yeah, but if you get steroids from a doctor, you usually would need a therapeutic waiver from the body that governs your sport. And just because some jagoff managed to work his way through university of phoenix’s Nick Riviera Medical School doesn’t make it right.

[Kepler]

Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

Yeah, but if you get steroids from a doctor, you usually would need a therapeutic waiver from the body that governs your sport. And just because some jagoff managed to work his way through university of phoenix’s Nick Riviera Medical School doesn’t make it right.

"If I kill you, you don't pay."

[Jimjamesak]

The minute Bud Selig got in, that opens the door to all the PED users.

Bud Selig, the man who helped lead the owners collusion in 85, 86, and 87?

[aparch]

Bud Selig, the man who helped lead the owners collusion in 85, 86, and 87?

Pretty sure that was Jerry Reinsdorf. Selig only participated by screwing Paul Molitor.

[Russell Jaslow]

Yeah, but if you get steroids from a doctor, you usually would need a therapeutic waiver from the body that governs your sport. And just because some jagoff managed to work his way through university of phoenix’s Nick Riviera Medical School doesn’t make it right.

You still haven't addressed my points.

Should all of Sharapova's records be wiped out?

Blood doping is perfectly legal and doesn't even use steroids. Why should the Olympics not allow it?

There were plenty of lawful means players could have used to enhance themselves before baseball outlawed it. You keep insisting on avoiding that point.