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  • #676
    Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

    Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
    since rules are changing in overtime.

    only allow 2 outs.
    strike 2 and yer out.

    (see how fun this is )
    Better yet, one ball and it's a walk. That will make pitchers have to throw hittable balls or walk in a run on just four pitches. Yeah, this is fun...
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    • #677
      Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

      Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
      It's the minors, Jesus who cares?
      Because if they're trying it in the minors, that means they're thinking about it for the majors.

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      • #678
        Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
        ...However, the loser point gnaws at me like nothing else in life. Going to a three-point system would be fine with me, but what the NHL has now for their points system is complete sh*t.
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        • #679
          Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

          Originally posted by jen View Post
          Because if they're trying it in the minors, that means they're thinking about it for the majors.
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          • #680
            Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

            Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
            since rules are changing in overtime.

            only allow 2 outs.
            strike 2 and yer out.

            (see how fun this is )
            They want more scoring, so 9 outs. And replace the catcher with a couple of sticks in the ground.
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            • #681
              Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

              Originally posted by jen View Post
              Because if they're trying it in the minors, that means they're thinking about it for the majors.
              Maybe, but maybe not.

              There may be all kinds of reasons to have that rule in the minors but never implement it in the majors. First, as someone else pointed out, it's the minors and it doesn't really matter who wins or loses. Second, major league teams probably have a desire to protect pitching assets in the minors and don't need someone getting overextended in a 15 inning meaningless game.

              The funny thing is, it's really a problem that has diminished over time. For over a hundred years the number of extra inning games in mlb have slowly decreased. We used to see something like 9 or 9.5% of them go to extra innings, but I think they may be down to like 7.5 or 8% now. Furthermore, two thirds of those end in either the 10th or 11th innings, which this rule is designed to do.

              http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...209-story.html

              They may try it in the minors, but I'm not sure we'll ever see it at the major league level.
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              • #682
                Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                And replace the catcher with a couple of sticks in the ground.
                This coming from a Mets fan? Wasn't it Casey Stengel who infamously observed during the Mets expansion draft that the reason he had to draft a catcher first is otherwise all you're going to have is passed balls?
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                • #683
                  Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

                  Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                  it's really a problem that has diminished over time. For over a hundred years the number of extra inning games in mlb have slowly decreased. We used to see something like 9 or 9.5% of them go to extra innings, but I think they may be down to like 7.5 or 8% now. Furthermore, two thirds of those end in either the 10th or 11th innings, which this rule is designed to do.
                  Please tell me everyone understands the independent variable that's driving that trend.
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                  • #684
                    Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

                    Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
                    It's interesting you state this, because for me, the shootout didn't bother me when it was implemented and still doesn't. Which is odd, because I don't agree with the shootout. (Though, seeing it in person was more fun and entertaining than I ever thought it would be.)

                    However, the loser point gnaws at me like nothing else in life. Going to a three-point system would be fine with me, but what the NHL has now for their points system is complete sh*t.
                    The 3 point system is clearly better than the NHLs, but the NHL does it their way because it offers the appearance that more teams are in the running for the playoffs. And in the NHL, all that matters is the playoffs. The 82 games are meant as nothing more than a seeding process. So if 13 or 14 teams think they have a chance as opposed to 10 or 11, more fans have to pay more attention to games that otherwise would be meaningless to them.

                    I could live with the shootout if the NHL, as an entity, thought that tie games drove fans away. I don't think they do, but if that is true, so be it. But if tie games are so bad, and you must have a winner (but for many different reasons you don't like the idea of endless OTs) just give 2 points to every winner (regulation, OT, SO) and zero to the losers. If the SO is so good and exciting, fans should be able to reconcile that their team needs to trudge off the ice with nothing to show for it if they can't "win" the game. Hell, in that case, we wouldn't need "points" at all, just wins and losses.

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                    • #685
                      Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

                      Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                      If the SO is so good and exciting, fans should be able to reconcile that their team needs to trudge off the ice with nothing to show for it if they can't "win" the game. Hell, in that case, we wouldn't need "points" at all, just wins and losses.
                      The loser point exists so more teams can claim to be winning teams, which drives revenue because people follow winners. The acme of the NHL would be a system where everyone wins every game regardless of score, and then the team with the most goals is given one extra bonus point.
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                      • #686
                        Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        Please tell me everyone understands the independent variable that's driving that trend.
                        More scoring always leads to fewer extra inning games. Just like the lack of scoring leads to all of the NHL playoff OT games that take 2, 3, 4 or more OTs to decide a winner. When NHL teams knew how to pot 4 and 5 goals, those marathon OT games did not happen. I don't know the numbers, but I guarantee the number of triple overtime games are a lot more common now (when corrected for the number of total playoff games) than they were before the "modern" game and the Michelin Man goaltenders.

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                        • #687
                          Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

                          Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                          Maybe, but maybe not.

                          There may be all kinds of reasons to have that rule in the minors but never implement it in the majors. First, as someone else pointed out, it's the minors and it doesn't really matter who wins or loses. Second, major league teams probably have a desire to protect pitching assets in the minors and don't need someone getting overextended in a 15 inning meaningless game.

                          The funny thing is, it's really a problem that has diminished over time. For over a hundred years the number of extra inning games in mlb have slowly decreased. We used to see something like 9 or 9.5% of them go to extra innings, but I think they may be down to like 7.5 or 8% now. Furthermore, two thirds of those end in either the 10th or 11th innings, which this rule is designed to do.

                          http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...209-story.html

                          They may try it in the minors, but I'm not sure we'll ever see it at the major league level.
                          I agree that extra innings are not the problem, but I am not convinced that MLB would never do it in the majors.

                          I think having bullpen cars (which is also somewhat lame, IMO) gets closer to the root of the problem than anything involving extra innings. But they are never going to make commercial breaks shorter. They would probably love to make them LONGER if it didn't delay the game.
                          Last edited by jen; 03-15-2018, 08:44 AM.

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                          • #688
                            Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

                            Originally posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
                            More scoring always leads to fewer extra inning games.
                            Thank you. Higher scores mean a lower probability of tying. We used to call this the Mike Schafer Postulate, but he ruined it by building a team that can score.
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                            • #689
                              Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
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                              • #690
                                Re: MLB 2017: Playoffs, World Series, and Off-season.

                                Originally posted by jen View Post
                                Because if they're trying it in the minors, that means they're thinking about it for the majors.
                                This

                                We get stupid ideas like this and soon they'll be doing stupid human tricks just like the NHL. "Oh, instead of extra innings we'll have the center fielder try to throw a ball into a garbage can from the warning track" or "Fastest pitch competition" or "Home run derby!!!!!!!!"



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