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  • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

    Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
    Not sure a simple allegation and you're done is a good thing, though. Innocent until proven guilty? Remember that?
    The 'tell' is how they respond to the allegations. I remember in Chicago, maybe 25 or 30 years ago, at the height of the Catholic Church sexual abuse of boys scandal, Cardinal Joseph Bernadin, was accused of molesting a teen years earlier. He was classy and gracious throughout, and later on the now-grown up teen recanted and apologized. Bernadin never did anything remotely wrong, and ultimately was cleared.

    Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
    The statement also never uses the word sorry or apologize. He does use the words remorse and regret, though. It really reads like "Yep, did it. Didn't think it was a big deal at the time. I was wrong. Whoops."
    Exactly what I was trying to say above. Bernadin showed more concern for the suffering his accuser endured. It wasn't about him, it was about how the victim had been wronged, even if he himself didn't do it.

    That's kind of what I meant by the "tell": is it about them? or is it about how someone else was harmed?

    I really hate those statements that read like "I'm sorry I got caught."



    What concerns me more is that real serious, severe cases of assault are being lumped together by the salacious media reporting with "he grabbed my azz once on set." the latter certainly is unacceptable, surely; some gradation of guilt might be in order? It's the serial rapists and repeat abusers really deserve the real serious consequences; not necessarily everyone who ever leered at a woman (or teen boy) when overserved 20 years ago.
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    • Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
      The pattern stuff is maddening. People have tried to tell the truth about Louis for years and were silenced. ...
      Gawker ran a story almost five years ago that told of a “critically cherished sitcom auteur” who jerked it in front of women.

      Their sister site Jezebel followed up on it two year ago, after investigating it, and were critically slammed by site visitors for trying to drag Louis CK's reputation through the mud.

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      • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

        Originally posted by aparch View Post
        Gawker ran a story almost five years ago that told of a “critically cherished sitcom auteur” who jerked it in front of women.

        Their sister site Jezebel followed up on it two year ago, after investigating it, and were critically slammed by site visitors for trying to drag Louis CK's reputation through the mud.

        https://jezebel.com/on-rumors-1820301960
        The problem with Jezebel was they tried to make the leap to quickly and they dont have the respect and history in the mainstream to pull that off. When the Jen Kirkman story came out and all of a sudden that got linked to this (and they can play innocent all they want to they were trying to tie them together and werent even hiding it) they didnt really think there would be any backlash. They figured Kirkman would go "THANK GOD!!!" and give them the dirt. She didnt. People following the story though still linked them which got Kirkman seriously attacked.

        The second that happened Jezebel should have been vocally saying (way more than they were or are even pretending they were) talking about how they arent linked. Even if they believe they are linked there is zero evidence they are and Kirkman is flat out denying it. They didnt play it that way though and never spoke out when other sites ran with the idea either which was tacitly agreeing. That got Jen even more hate as the story spread which is why she blasted them. (I remember reading a bunch about this back then...the whole thing from all sides was just so sloppy)

        I dont have much respect for Jezebel anyways...they play lots of games with the truth in hopes of finding scandal.

        (none of this in any way excuses what Louis did)
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        • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
          The problem with Jezebel was they tried to make the leap to quickly and they dont have the respect and history in the mainstream to pull that off. When the Jen Kirkman story came out and all of a sudden that got linked to this (and they can play innocent all they want to they were trying to tie them together and werent even hiding it) they didnt really think there would be any backlash. They figured Kirkman would go "THANK GOD!!!" and give them the dirt. She didnt. People following the story though still linked them which got Kirkman seriously attacked.

          The second that happened Jezebel should have been vocally saying (way more than they were or are even pretending they were) talking about how they arent linked. Even if they believe they are linked there is zero evidence they are and Kirkman is flat out denying it. They didnt play it that way though and never spoke out when other sites ran with the idea either which was tacitly agreeing. That got Jen even more hate as the story spread which is why she blasted them. (I remember reading a bunch about this back then...the whole thing from all sides was just so sloppy)

          I dont have much respect for Jezebel anyways...they play lots of games with the truth in hopes of finding scandal.

          (none of this in any way excuses what Louis did)
          Gawker/Jezebel's issue is that they continually straddle(d) the line between journalism and gossip, which is why one of them doesn't exist anymore (well, that and a billionaire with a mission). If I remember right, they didn't even have confirmation it was Louis at the time, they just guessed. A pretty easy guess based on the info, but still a guess.
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            • Originally posted by busterman62 View Post
              Nuke Hollywood.

              We may need a separate thread for all of these allegations at the rate this is going...
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              • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

                I’m a little skeptical on the Takei one...
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                • Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
                  Nuke Hollywood.

                  We may need a separate thread for all of these allegations at the rate this is going...
                  Just created one.
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                  • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

                    Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                    I’m a little skeptical on the Takei one...
                    I am, too. Maybe I just don't want to believe it of him; I don't know.
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                    • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

                      Originally posted by busterman62 View Post
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                      • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

                        Apparently, Amazon has secured the rights to make a Lord of the Rings series.

                        15 years ago, this would have me excited.

                        After seeing what was done to the Hobbit (hint... bad things), I'm not only leery, but also suffer from fatigue on the subject matter.

                        GoT and others have proven that there are other compelling stories out there to tell. I get it's about making money and LOTR approaches Star Wars in terms of awareness, but I'd sure like to see a different story.

                        Of course I don't have to watch it, but I will I'm sure. At least for a bit.


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                        • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

                          Since this takes place before Fellowship is this all new content? I dont remember there being much story there...
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                          • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            Since this takes place before Fellowship is this all new content? I dont remember there being much story there...

                            I mean... stuff happened and us nerds know of the timeline, but it wasn't fleshed out.

                            Which means they'll have to make it up including the dialogue which can leave us with a hot mess much like the Hobbit.

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                            • Originally posted by Gurtholfin View Post
                              I mean... stuff happened and us nerds know of the timeline, but it wasn't fleshed out.

                              Which means they'll have to make it up including the dialogue which can leave us with a hot mess much like the Hobbit.
                              Even I was disappointed in the extra material they came up with for the Hobbit.
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                              • Re: TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

                                The Tolkien universe is rich with history. Remember from the opening narration of the Fellowship movie that there are "two and half thousand years" between Isildur and Bilbo - and that's just the third age. There are so many stories they could do, ranging from the adventures of a young Aragorn to the downfall of Gondor after Isildur to an origin story of Elves or Dwarves or Orcs to the journeys of Gandalf or something entirely new within the framework of the Tolkien timeline. If they do it right (first trilogy) it will be a masterpiece. If not (second trilogy) it will be a trainwreck.

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