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WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
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you're probably right that it's not any better, it just seems better. But last year I thought, maybe I was wrong, but I thought UAA and Alaska were not near as competitive and same for UAH.
And if you looked at the polls, it's such a joke. Every year the same stuff from writers. Duluth ranked in the top 10? Harvard? I'm sure they're good but really? Have they even played a game?MTU: Three time NCAA champions.
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Originally posted by manurespreader View Postyou're probably right that it's not any better, it just seems better. But last year I thought, maybe I was wrong, but I thought UAA and Alaska were not near as competitive and same for UAH.
And if you looked at the polls, it's such a joke. Every year the same stuff from writers. Duluth ranked in the top 10? Harvard? I'm sure they're good but really? Have they even played a game?Michigan Tech Legend, Founder of Mitch's Misfits, Co-Founder of Tech Hockey Guide, and Creator/Host of the Chasing MacNaughton Podcast covering MTU Hockey and the WCHA.
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Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View PostHarvard is fine...there is no reason that UMD should even be ranked anymore...even if it does end up that they are good...MTU: Three time NCAA champions.
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Originally posted by manurespreader View PostI don't have a problem seeing Harvard ranked, but number 2 seems a bit much.
Number 2 is not too high."If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
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Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View PostThey return almost everyone from a team that made the Frozen Four. Number 2 is not too high.
A: None
They don't belong in the top 20 under that scenario and they don't belong in a poll now either with a 0-0-0 record. Ask BU how their 2016-17 team compared on paper vs on the ice.
In summary, ranking teams that haven't played a single game is pointless and show how little the polls are about current success and how much they are simply a stroke on the back based on past success. Team perceived to be "historical winners" remain the polls for weeks after their success on the ice has been flushed away. If there are any further questions, see Exhibit B: Ranked Teams w/ Losing Records which is equally stupid.
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Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View PostQ: At the end of the season, how many of the "Top-20 teams on paper with no games played" are ranked in the Top 20?
A: None
They don't belong in the top 20 under that scenario and they don't belong in a poll now either with a 0-0-0 record. Ask BU how their 2016-17 team compared on paper vs on the ice.
In summary, ranking teams that haven't played a single game is pointless and show how little the polls are about current success and how much they are simply a stroke on the back based on past success. Team perceived to be "historical winners" remain the polls for weeks after their success on the ice has been flushed away. If there are any further questions, see Exhibit B: Ranked Teams w/ Losing Records which is equally stupid.
Ryan
What a ridiculous question.
Harvard being ranked 2 at this moment is fine...especially when the poll is for fun and discussion anyway."If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
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Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View PostAsk BU how their 2016-17 team compared on paper vs on the ice.Originally posted by dicaslover
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Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View PostQ: At the end of the season, how many of the "Top-20 teams on paper with no games played" are ranked in the Top 20?
A: None
They don't belong in the top 20 under that scenario and they don't belong in a poll now either with a 0-0-0 record. Ask BU how their 2016-17 team compared on paper vs on the ice.
In summary, ranking teams that haven't played a single game is pointless and show how little the polls are about current success and how much they are simply a stroke on the back based on past success. Team perceived to be "historical winners" remain the polls for weeks after their success on the ice has been flushed away. If there are any further questions, see Exhibit B: Ranked Teams w/ Losing Records which is equally stupid.
Ryan
And it is asinine to say that Harvard doesn't belong because they haven't played a game. So what if their schedule is such that they don't play the first several weeks of the season? Does that somehow make them a worse team? As far as I can tell, they should still be a really **** good team, and it looks like the voters agree. They belong where they're at, at this point.
edit: and to answer your question correctly, last season 12 of the 20 ranked teams in the first poll of the season were ranked in the last poll of the season. All of the top 6 teams in the first poll were ranked at the end of the season, and only 1 in the pre-season top 10 was not ranked in the top 20 at the end of the season. Seems like the voters didn't do that terrible considering how unreliable "teams on paper" apparently is.Last edited by bigblue_dl; 10-17-2017, 08:32 AM.Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.
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Originally posted by <3_Blizzard View PostGood night for the WCHA so far Ferris, NMU, and BSU all win. LSSU currently up on Denver 2-1 after 2.
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2017-18 WCHA Non-Conference Schedule
The WCHA has 65 non-conference games this year, 18 home, 33 road, and 14 neutral site. I am not including non-conference games between league opponents and exhibitions in this total.
25 NCHC Games (3-9-3)
15-17 Big10 Games (2-5-0)
3-5 Hockey East Games (2-0-0)
7 Atlantic Hockey Games (2-3-1)
5 ECAC Games (1-0-0)
5-7 Independent Games (0-0-0)
4-6 Interleague Games (Not counted in league total)
7 Exhibitions (Not counted in league or team total)
TOTAL: 10-17-4
ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE (0-2-0)
-2 at Notre Dame L 3-5, L 0-4
-2 at Cornell
-2 at Arizona State
ALASKA (2-3-1)
-Simon Fraser (EXH) W 6-0
-2 with Air Force L 2-3, T 1-1
-2 at St. Cloud L 3-6, L 4-5 (OT)
-at Alaska-Anchorage W 6-2
-Alaska-Anchorage W 3-2
ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (0-5-1)
-Simon Fraser (EXH) W 6-1
-2 with North Dakota T 1-1, L 2-3 (OT)
-2 at Colorado College L 1-6, L 2-3
-Alaska L 2-6
-at Alaska L 2-3
BEMIDJI STATE (2-1-1)
-Minnesota-Duluth W 5-2
-at Minnesota-Duluth T 0-0
-2 with Air Force W 4-1, L 1-5
-2 @ Princeton
-North Dakota
-at North Dakota
BOWLING GREEN (1-2-0)
-Wilfrid Laurier (EXH) W 3-1
-US Under 18 Team (EXH) W 4-1
-at Western Michigan L 1-3
-Michigan State W 3-1
-at Michigan State L 2-3
-2 with Miami
-Western Michigan
-vs. Michigan (Detroit)
-vs. Michigan State/Michigan Tech (Detroit)
FERRIS STATE (2-2-0)
-at Western Michigan L 1-6
-Western Michigan W 3-2
-2 at Mercyhurst W 3-2, L 1-4
-2 at Michigan
-at Michigan State
-Michigan State
LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (1-2-1)
-Laurentian (EXH) W 3-2
-Northern Michigan W 5-2
-at Northern Michigan L 1-4
-2 at Denver T 3-3, L 1-5
-2 at Michigan State
-vs. Robert Morris (Pittsburgh)
-vs. Arizona State/Providence (Pittsburgh)
MICHIGAN TECH (2-1-0)
-at Wisconsin L 2-3
-vs. Union (Duluth) W 6-3
-vs. Minnesota-Duluth (Duluth) W 4-3
-vs. Michigan State (Detroit)
-vs. Michigan/Bowling Green (Detroit)
-vs. Boston College (Las Vegas)
-vs. Arizona State/Northern Michigan (Las Vegas)
-2 with Arizona State
MINNESOTA STATE (2-1-0)
-Regina (EXH) W 8-0
-St. Cloud State L 0-4
-2 at Boston University W 6-3, W 3-0
-at Minnesota-Duluth
-at St. Cloud State
-Minnesota-Duluth
-US Under 18 Team (EXH)
NORTHERN MICHIGAN (2-2-0)
-at Lake Superior State L 3-5
-Lake Superior State W 4-1
-2 vs. Wisconsin (Green Bay) W 5-4 (OT), L 0-4
-2 at Nebraska-Omaha
-vs. Arizona State (Las Vegas)
-vs. Boston College/Michigan Tech (Las Vegas)Millsy
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Does anyone know how the conference is doing compared to the others? Are we on track to putting a second team in, or do you think we're falling behind?LSSU Alumni & Fan.
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Originally posted by Deman View PostDoes anyone know how the conference is doing compared to the others? Are we on track to putting a second team in, or do you think we're falling behind?That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.
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