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    Quote Originally Posted by manurespreader View Post
    yes but even if they sweep Bemidji next month they would still need help from someone else in order to go by them in the standings.
    So? By sweeping BG, the Huskies would pull even on points with the Falcons and hold head-to-head tiebreaker (the GLI game doesn't count). Tech doesn't necessarily have to pass Bemidji to get home ice in the first round.

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    Iím not holding my breath on that scenario I have to say

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    nice week for Minnesota State capped off with a 1-0 win vs UMD tonight. Should be pretty close to guaranteed in the NCAAs as long as they dont implode.
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    Mankato finishes above 0.500 with a 4-2-0 non-conference record and Bemidji State finishes at 0.500 with a 3-3-2 non-conference record. Michigan Tech still has two games with Arizona State remaining and could finish above 0.500.

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    15 Big10 Games (5-10-0)
    4 Hockey East Games (3-0-1)
    7 Atlantic Hockey Games (2-4-1)
    5 ECAC Games (2-3-0)
    7 Independent Games (2-3-0)
    5 Interleague Games (Not counted in league total)
    8 Exhibitions (Not counted in league or team total)
    TOTAL: 19-35-7

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    -2 at Notre Dame L 3-5, L 0-4
    -2 at Cornell L 1-5, L 0-3
    -2 at Arizona State L 2-3, W 3-1

    ALASKA (2-3-1)
    -Simon Fraser (EXH) W 6-0
    -2 with Air Force L 2-3, T 1-1
    -2 at St. Cloud L 3-6, L 4-5 (OT)
    -at Alaska-Anchorage W 6-2
    -Alaska-Anchorage W 3-2

    ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (0-5-1)
    -Simon Fraser (EXH) W 6-1
    -2 with North Dakota T 1-1, L 2-3 (OT)
    -2 at Colorado College L 1-6, L 2-3
    -Alaska L 2-6
    -at Alaska L 2-3

    BEMIDJI STATE (3-3-2)
    -Minnesota-Duluth W 5-2
    -at Minnesota-Duluth T 0-0
    -2 with Air Force W 4-1, L 1-5
    -2 @ Princeton W 5-3, L 1-4
    -North Dakota L 1-5
    -at North Dakota T 2-2

    BOWLING GREEN (3-4-1)
    -Wilfrid Laurier (EXH) W 3-1
    -US Under 18 Team (EXH) W 4-1
    -at Western Michigan L 1-3
    -Michigan State W 3-1
    -at Michigan State L 2-3
    -2 with Miami L 3-6, T 2-2
    -Western Michigan L 2-5
    -vs. Michigan (Detroit) W 6-4
    -Michigan Tech (Detroit) W 4-1

    FERRIS STATE (3-5-0)
    -at Western Michigan L 1-6
    -Western Michigan W 3-2
    -2 at Mercyhurst W 3-2, L 1-4
    -2 at Michigan L 2-7, W 3-2 OT
    -at Michigan State L 2-3 OT
    -Michigan State L 1-3
    -US Under 18 Team (EXH) L 1-5

    LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (2-5-1)
    -Laurentian (EXH) W 3-2
    -Northern Michigan W 5-2
    -at Northern Michigan L 1-4
    -2 at Denver T 3-3, L 1-5
    -2 at Michigan State L 3-4, L 0-6
    -vs. Robert Morris (Pittsburgh) L 0-5
    -vs. Arizona State (Pittsburgh) W 4-1

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    -at Wisconsin L 2-3
    -vs. Union (Duluth) W 6-3
    -vs. Minnesota-Duluth (Duluth) W 4-3
    -vs. Michigan State (Detroit) W 5-2
    -vs. Bowling Green (Detroit) L 1-4
    -vs. Boston College (Las Vegas) W 4-3
    -vs. Arizona State (Las Vegas) L 2-3
    -2 with Arizona State

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    -Regina (EXH) W 8-0
    -St. Cloud State L 0-4
    -2 at Boston University W 6-3, W 3-0
    -at Minnesota-Duluth L 1-3
    -at St. Cloud State W 5-2
    -Minnesota-Duluth W 1-0
    -US Under 18 Team (EXH)

    NORTHERN MICHIGAN (2-5-1)
    -at Lake Superior State L 3-5
    -Lake Superior State W 4-1
    -2 vs. Wisconsin (Green Bay) W 5-4 (OT), L 0-4
    -2 at Nebraska-Omaha L 3-4, L 1-4
    -vs. Arizona State (Las Vegas) L 3-7
    -vs. Boston College (Las Vegas) T 3-3
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    Disappointed, surprised, somewhat pleased with the non-con results? I thought we'd do a little better against the Big, and we did finish strong by sweeping them in the GLI, but otherwise we're probably not all that far off of where most people would have guessed.
    Let's at least whip up on AH next year!

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    Being above .500 against only one conference has to be a disappointment. There's no other way to describe it.

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    I would go with disappointed as well. When I went through the schedule at the beginning of the year, I was hoping for 25-30 wins for the league. Right now, Mankato is the only team with a Pairwise that will get them into the NCAA. If no one knocks them off during the WCHA Tournament, we will be a one bid league again.
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    I would agree. I'm disappointed with the results. The conference 100% cannot go under .500 against the AHA. Until the league as a whole gets to near .500, it will be a 1 bid league. Mankato did their job this year and we could get 2, but the leaders within the conference the last 2 years (including Kato) didn't do their job in the non-conference. It must get better in the future. I know it will take a while, but I see this league following the lead of the ECAC, but it will take time until new blood will be able to turn programs around. I thought the league might take a step forward this year, but this certainly wasn't it.
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    So with ASU getting approval of their new 5,000 seat on campus arena......what's next for conference re-alignment?

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ue/1060244001/

    You have to assume they will approach the NCHC again.

    The NCHC obviously would not want to add just one team, so that means a second team would also be on the move......Minnesota State? Problem is WMU and Miami have made it known they aren't looking for another "Minnesota trip" added to the schedule and their preference is BGSU. BG has been reluctant to even look at the NCHC to this point, preferring to look at possible "CCHA reboots" instead.

    Should be interesting again......

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    So with ASU getting approval of their new 5,000 seat on campus arena......what's next for conference re-alignment?

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ue/1060244001/

    You have to assume they will approach the NCHC again.

    The NCHC obviously would not want to add just one team, so that means a second team would also be on the move......Minnesota State? Problem is WMU and Miami have made it known they aren't looking for another "Minnesota trip" added to the schedule and their preference is BGSU. BG has been reluctant to even look at the NCHC to this point, preferring to look at possible "CCHA reboots" instead.

    Should be interesting again......
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    cause thats what college hockey needs...another league...so then what? the UP schools, BSU and the Alaska schools can have a league together? YAY
    I could be completely mistaken, but I think it's more of a name change rather than a new conference.

    What I've seen proposed, and what I wouldn't mind seeing, is: Assuming the NCHC doesn't want to expand the number of teams in the conference (because less money amongst schools for TV deals & such), they allow ASU and MNSU to join, and waive the fee to leave the conference to Miami and WMU.

    Miami and WMU petition to join the WCHA and are accepted. Other than the addition of UAA & BSU and the lack of the B1G teams, we have the old CCHA. From there I think the idea would be to rename the conference back to the CCHA, though that would be unnecessary, though it would free up the WCHA brand, so maybe the NCHC reforms as the WCHA, as it would essentially be the old WCHA, Things more or less go back to how they were pre-realignment.
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    I could be completely mistaken, but I think it's more of a name change rather than a new conference.

    What I've seen proposed, and what I wouldn't mind seeing, is: Assuming the NCHC doesn't want to expand the number of teams in the conference (because less money amongst schools for TV deals & such), they allow ASU and MNSU to join, and waive the fee to leave the conference to Miami and WMU.

    Miami and WMU petition to join the WCHA and are accepted. Other than the addition of UAA & BSU and the lack of the B1G teams, we have the old CCHA. From there I think the idea would be to rename the conference back to the CCHA, though that would be unnecessary, though it would free up the WCHA brand, so maybe the NCHC reforms as the WCHA, as it would essentially be the old WCHA, Things more or less go back to how they were pre-realignment.
    I would be very surprised if any of this happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deman View Post
    I could be completely mistaken, but I think it's more of a name change rather than a new conference.

    What I've seen proposed, and what I wouldn't mind seeing, is: Assuming the NCHC doesn't want to expand the number of teams in the conference (because less money amongst schools for TV deals & such), they allow ASU and MNSU to join, and waive the fee to leave the conference to Miami and WMU.

    Miami and WMU petition to join the WCHA and are accepted. Other than the addition of UAA & BSU and the lack of the B1G teams, we have the old CCHA. From there I think the idea would be to rename the conference back to the CCHA, though that would be unnecessary, though it would free up the WCHA brand, so maybe the NCHC reforms as the WCHA, as it would essentially be the old WCHA, Things more or less go back to how they were pre-realignment.
    As much as I like this idea, there's a couple things:

    1. I don't think 8 or 10 matters to the NCHC. The league doesn't make any money on TV. They make a little bit on the conference tournament, but have never made enough to send any of it back to the schools. The only money the league gives back to the schools comes from NCHC.tv, and that is already proportioned based on subscriber affiliation.

    2. Even if the fee was waived, I'm not sure Miami and Western Michigan would go back. They'd save some on travel(not as much if the A schools are still around), but it would be perceived as a major step backwards for their programs.
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    BGSU is in the playoffs after their win last night coupled with losses by UAA and LSSU.

    BSU would be in tonight with a win at UAH regardless of UAA's result, as they have the B tiebreaker.

    MTU would be in with a win tonight and losses by LSSU and UAA.

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    FSU's Andrew Mayer is suspended for tonight.

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    Here's video of the hit that drew the suspension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYIIHRz1jZ0
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    BGSU and NMU are 18 and 19 in the Pairwise and playing some good hockey. Dare we dream of MORE than 2 NCAA bids?

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    FSU's Andrew Mayer is suspended for tonight.

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    It's the worst hit of the season and worst that I can remember. I hope he gets the rest of the year off. I hated watching him celebrate afterward.
    It was nowhere close to as nefarious as Brennan Salunier's hit against MSU earlier this season. That hit drew a multi-game suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deman View Post
    I could be completely mistaken, but I think it's more of a name change rather than a new conference.

    What I've seen proposed, and what I wouldn't mind seeing, is: Assuming the NCHC doesn't want to expand the number of teams in the conference (because less money amongst schools for TV deals & such), they allow ASU and MNSU to join, and waive the fee to leave the conference to Miami and WMU.

    Miami and WMU petition to join the WCHA and are accepted. Other than the addition of UAA & BSU and the lack of the B1G teams, we have the old CCHA. From there I think the idea would be to rename the conference back to the CCHA, though that would be unnecessary, though it would free up the WCHA brand, so maybe the NCHC reforms as the WCHA, as it would essentially be the old WCHA, Things more or less go back to how they were pre-realignment.
    I think ASU is headed to the NCHC, but who goes with them? Bemidji & Tech should be in the conversation with BG and MSU. Tech is probably out along with BG just from distance wise. Bemidji is in the epicenter of ND, Duluth, and SCSU. If they are counting their pennies then yes WMU and Miami are gone.

    WCHA would then be in a tight spot losing one of their best schools and adding another mid-tier school. Shifting travel from a school in Minnesota to Michigan/Ohio will hurt a league that is starting to drown in the red. The WCHA could be forced to oust the Alaska's and UAH to stay afloat.

    Which might be better for us to get the boot, between cashing the big schools checks and maybe providing travel subsidies our bottom line could greatly improve. Think BYU but without the tv deal.

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