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  • #91
    Re: NHL 2017.1: We turn over a new Leaf and still find a Penguin

    +\- is a worthless stat but I'm not arguing he's a bad player he's just not nearly as elite at his position (albeit a more important one).

    But yeah I forgot how bad the Russell contract extension was.

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    • #92
      Re: NHL 2017.1: We turn over a new Leaf and still find a Penguin

      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
      +\- is a worthless stat
      Is there a way to make it less useless? Maybe normalizing it against overall team +/-?

      It seems like it should be able to tell us things, but obvs the simple metric just tells me whether the team sucks.
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      • #93
        Re: NHL 2017.1: We turn over a new Leaf and still find a Penguin

        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
        +\- is a worthless stat but I'm not arguing he's a bad player he's just not nearly as elite at his position (albeit a more important one).

        But yeah I forgot how bad the Russell contract extension was.
        I knew you were going to say it is a worthless stat I usually agree, but when a team is that bad and a dman is +15 it says something. The Oilers don't need him to be elite, just need a stay at home dman when the rest of the team is rushing the puck.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Is there a way to make it less useless? Maybe normalizing it against overall team +/-?

          It seems like it should be able to tell us things, but obvs the simple metric just tells me whether the team sucks.
          Normalizing versus team +/- would be best. I mean if a team is -22 but a guy is +15 that seems to be an indication of something.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Is there a way to make it less useless? Maybe normalizing it against overall team +/-?

            It seems like it should be able to tell us things, but obvs the simple metric just tells me whether the team sucks.
            Basically you're better off using shot attempt +\- due to the sample size and (as a result) predictive nature. You're also better off normalizing that stat to account for zone starts/deployment. Also now they're using expected goals models which contain even more data than shot based metrics.

            Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
            Normalizing versus team +/- would be best. I mean if a team is -22 but a guy is +15 that seems to be an indication of something.
            Not really because the sample size is far too small to be repeatable from year to year (which is basically how you know something is luck vs an actual skill) and like I said you need to account for zone starts. Like Larsson might've been +15 that year (guessing Schneider had a good year) and it wasn't that long ago that PK Subban (easily a top 10 Dman) was a minus on the year probably due to Price getting hurt and the backup being terrible.
            Last edited by trixR4kids; 09-30-2017, 03:08 PM.

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            • #96
              Re: NHL 2017.1: We turn over a new Leaf and still find a Penguin

              Dave Strader passed away. That really sucks, man.

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              • #97
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                Jagr reportedly agrees to 1 year deal with Calgary.

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                • #98
                  Re: NHL 2017.1: We turn over a new Leaf and still find a Penguin

                  Originally posted by hockeyplayer1015 View Post
                  Jagr reportedly agrees to 1 year deal with Calgary.
                  Thank god for socialized medicine.
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                  • #99
                    Re: NHL 2017.1: We turn over a new Leaf and still find a Penguin

                    So, remember when Malcolm Subban was a trendy pick for the Vegas Golden Nights for the expansion draft? And then they didn't?

                    No worries, they snatched him on waivers today.

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                    • Re: NHL 2017.1: We turn over a new Leaf and still find a Penguin

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                        @ByMHarrington: Repeating specifics: Eichel signed 8 years/$80M. Kicks in for 2018-19. Runs through 2025-26 -- age 29. http://buffalonews.com/2017/10/03/re...hel-extension/
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                        • Re: NHL 2017.1: We turn over a new Leaf and still find a Penguin

                          Assuming he stays healthy, that gives him plenty of gas left in the tank to leave Buffalo as an UFA in 8 years when they're still Cup-less.

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                                The Wild's Salary Cap situation sucks.
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