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    Quote Originally Posted by Thiessen'sBetter View Post
    COTY: Carvel (Think they'll be ~.500 which should warrant NCOTY talk after what they've been the past 10 years)
    If Bazin didn't win for taking a 5 win team to 24, a first ncaa appearance in 15 years and a ncaa tournament win, I really doubt Carvel has a shot at the Penrose.
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    1. Providence (Lots of returners, Leaman is a fantastic coach, should be a national contender.)
    2. BU (They're always a top team in terms of talent, but I don't rate Quinn as a tactical coach.)
    3. UMass Lowell (Lost a bit with Gambardella, Smith, Kapla etc, but never count out Norm Bazin.)
    4. BC (Ditto, but with Jerry. I think 4-6 could finish in any order and make sense.)
    5. Vermont (I'm higher on us this year than I probably should be.)
    6. Northeastern (Not convinced Primeau will be the panacea, especially with ZAR gone.)
    7. Merrimack (They'd be in the BC/UVM/NU category if Delia hadn't left. Still better than the bottom 4 which is gonna suuuuuck)
    8. UConn (Huska can steal games and I'm a huge fan of Letunov.)
    9. Amherst (They're going to find a way to waste Makar's one season there. Two top prospects won't fix a program in that bad a shape.)
    10. UNH (Kelleher carried them last year. Ergo, without Kelleher, they're going to be bad.)
    11. Maine (Gendron out.)

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    ROY: Makar
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    GOY: Woll

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    Wow, not a single mention so far for Oettinger for the goalie award. He was All-Rookie and 2nd team HE last year.

    Maybe thinking he won't see enough shots given the 7 drafted defensemen in front of him???
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    Quote Originally Posted by defkit View Post
    Wow, not a single mention so far for Oettinger for the goalie award. He was All-Rookie and 2nd team HE last year.

    Maybe thinking he won't see enough shots given the 7 drafted defensemen in front of him???
    I chose Oettinger as goalie of the year. He is one of the top 3 goalies I have seen in person since I started watching college hockey in 2011, I think he's an NHL starter in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TovarishchLisa View Post
    1. Providence (Lots of returners, Leaman is a fantastic coach, should be a national contender.)
    2. BU (They're always a top team in terms of talent, but I don't rate Quinn as a tactical coach.)
    3. UMass Lowell (Lost a bit with Gambardella, Smith, Kapla etc, but never count out Norm Bazin.)
    4. BC (Ditto, but with Jerry. I think 4-6 could finish in any order and make sense.)
    5. Vermont (I'm higher on us this year than I probably should be.)
    6. Northeastern (Not convinced Primeau will be the panacea, especially with ZAR gone.)
    7. Merrimack (They'd be in the BC/UVM/NU category if Delia hadn't left. Still better than the bottom 4 which is gonna suuuuuck)
    8. UConn (Huska can steal games and I'm a huge fan of Letunov.)
    9. Amherst (They're going to find a way to waste Makar's one season there. Two top prospects won't fix a program in that bad a shape.)
    10. UNH (Kelleher carried them last year. Ergo, without Kelleher, they're going to be bad.)
    11. Maine (Gendron out.)

    Tournament Champion: Providence does the double.
    NCAA teams: PC, BU, UML
    POY: Off the board...Erik Foley
    ROY: Makar
    COY: Leaman
    GOY: Woll

    Does Umile hit 600?: No.
    Firings: Gendron.
    Bazin extension: Depends on if there's an NHL opening that makes sense.
    BU Seniors: don't care
    Admission standards: UNH, definitively.
    Curious, how does ZAR leaving have any impact on what Primeau is going to do? If ZAR was a defenseman that could be an argument, or if he left early. Just not seeing a correlation. Or was your statement more of two separate things that you knock NU for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NU_Husky View Post
    Curious, how does ZAR leaving have any impact on what Primeau is going to do? If ZAR was a defenseman that could be an argument, or if he left early. Just not seeing a correlation. Or was your statement more of two separate things that you knock NU for?
    I feel like the three of us might have had this conversation last week, though elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UML Puck Hawk View Post
    I feel like the three of us might have had this conversation last week, though elsewhere.
    You and I had a conversation on Reddit about NU's defense, where you rightly pointed out I misread stats that I thought showed them better than they were. I don't think I heard the ZAR argument though..the ZARguement, if you will

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    Quote Originally Posted by NU_Husky View Post
    Curious, how does ZAR leaving have any impact on what Primeau is going to do? If ZAR was a defenseman that could be an argument, or if he left early. Just not seeing a correlation. Or was your statement more of two separate things that you knock NU for?
    Two separate things. My mistake for not being clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NU_Husky View Post
    You and I had a conversation on Reddit about NU's defense, where you rightly pointed out I misread stats that I thought showed them better than they were. I don't think I heard the ZAR argument though..the ZARguement, if you will
    Ahh, I thought this was the Primeau discussion where his injury was leading to many having lower expectations than the NU users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UML Puck Hawk View Post
    Ahh, I thought this was the Primeau discussion where his injury was leading to many having lower expectations than the NU users.
    It was both. I think they'll miss ZAR's production - that's 63 points plus how much better he makes his teammates gone. Add Primeau's last season, and that's why I don't rate NU quite as highly as most.
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    Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017

    1. PC
    2. BU
    3. Lowell
    4. NU
    5. BC
    6. UVM
    7. MC
    8. UConn
    9. Maine
    10. Amherst
    11. UNH

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    Quote Originally Posted by defkit View Post
    Wow, not a single mention so far for Oettinger for the goalie award. He was All-Rookie and 2nd team HE last year.

    Maybe thinking he won't see enough shots given the 7 drafted defensemen in front of him???
    that could be, he's outstanding
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    Quote Originally Posted by UML Puck Hawk View Post
    If Bazin didn't win for taking a 5 win team to 24, a first ncaa appearance in 15 years and a ncaa tournament win, I really doubt Carvel has a shot at the Penrose.
    Fair point. I certainly would have voted for Bazin that year (and most years, he's the best in the business right now IMO) and I'm always one that thinks COTY is about exceeding expectations more than anything. That could be a "pro sports" way of looking at it I guess, since college coaches are responsible for personnel and therefore the expectations to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by defkit View Post
    Wow, not a single mention so far for Oettinger for the goalie award. He was All-Rookie and 2nd team HE last year.

    Maybe thinking he won't see enough shots given the 7 drafted defensemen in front of him???
    He doesn't have to bail out Charlie anymore after he gets caught up ice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thiessen'sBetter View Post
    Fair point. I certainly would have voted for Bazin that year (and most years, he's the best in the business right now IMO) and I'm always one that thinks COTY is about exceeding expectations more than anything. That could be a "pro sports" way of looking at it I guess, since college coaches are responsible for personnel and therefore the expectations to begin with.
    I think you're right that achieving most above expectation generally wins conference COY but I'd doubt national COY would ever go to someone who didn't make the tournament. Obviously nominations include conference COY winners, but the national vote partly because the voters are more separate, trends toward coaches with more tangible accomplishments

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    Re: Hockey East Preseason Thread 2017

    I did fairly well last year (nailed the bottom third) with a very cloudy crystal ball so here’s this year’s stab in the dark (crystal ball still cloudy):

    1 – University of Kentucky—Boston (one-and-done is how we do it...care for a Julep?)
    2 – Providence (making up for doubting Leaman in last year’s predictions)
    3 (tie) – Northeastern (assumes Primeau is the real deal and the injury bug stays away)
    3 (tie) – Lowell (consistency is Norm Bazin’s middle name)
    5 – BC (it will be crowded at the top this year)
    6 – Vermont (goaltending got shaky down the stretch last year and losing Dman Abramson won't help with that)
    7 – UMass (riding Cale Makar to become the surprise team of the year)
    8 – Merrimack (losing Colin Delia will be tough to overcome)
    9 – Connecticut (if they couldn’t do better last year with Tage Thompson, it will be hard to improve this year without him...losing faith in the #Icebus)
    10 – Maine (They’ll burn some people along the way but still too many obstacles in their path)
    11 – UNH (if the players are hell-bent to get Umile his 600th, they'll spoil some parties)

    Tournament Champion: Providence
    NCAA tournament team(s): NU, UML, PC, BC, UK-B
    POY: Dylan Sikura
    COY: Greg Carvel, if his team does indeed surprise (otherwise Leaman)
    ROY: One of the one-and-dones from UK-B
    Goaltender of the year: Jake Oettinger

    Fun/Non-traditional Predictions
    Does Whistling Dick reach #600 (13 wins?): Do two ties count as a win?
    Norm Bazin get a contract extension? Yes, unless he has his sights set on other things.
    Does BU have any Seniors on their team entering 2018? Only if UK hoops does.
    Any coach firings? No. UNH will see DU thru to #600; Maine’s issues are bigger than Red.
    Who has higher admissions standards, UNH or BC? Umm…it’s “Which,” not “Who.”

    All-Name Team: Hayden Hawkey (C) (PC); Brett Boeing, Shane Bear (A), Ryan Badger (all UMass); Craig Puffer (A) and Max Suave (both UVM); Coach: Greg Carvel (UMass)
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    All-Name Team: Hayden Hawkey (C) (PC); Brett Boeing, Shane Bear (A), Ryan Badger (all UMass); Craig Puffer (A) and Max Suave (both UVM); Coach: Greg Carvel (UMass)
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    No love for Biagio Lerario?
    Final cuts are always the toughest. In the end, it came down to Biagio Lerario, Vladislav Dzhiosvili (UVM), Kasperi Ohantakanen (UConn) and Max Suave. Max was just too smooth and required fewer keystrokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    Goaltending, Solid game planning by York....and players that know about winning.
    I don't know about #1, but the man can certainly coach.
    Last season, BC lost 6 forwards and 2 key D-men to early defection (lost 174 points... poof... gone!). The man coached the team with 9 frosh in the starting lineup to 1st place in Hockey East. Been a STH for 20 years. He can turn chicken pooh into chicken salad. Last season was one of the best coaching performances I've ever seen. Never count Jerry York out.
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    Max Suave (both UVM)
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but Sauve is neither at UVM currently, nor is he committed to us anymore.
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