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    Obama is very conservative temperamentally (remember how cautious he was on gay marriage and other big changes) but intellectually he was all Democratic liberal. I really appreciated his approach, especially now in contrast with the rule by knee jerk tweetstorm that we're dealing with. Trump is the opposite, emotionally unstable but intellectually conservative.
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      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
      Depends how you define it, in modern US terms he obviously wasn't far right loony bin material like most (all) the GOP. But globally/compared to pre-Reagan yeah some of his policies can definitely be described that way.

      I'll fully admit I haven't read the article and just sorta skimmed it.
      Read the whole thing, it's excellent. Rover's reaction is proof of the author's point.
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        Originally posted by geezer View Post
        Trump is the opposite, emotionally unstable but intellectually conservative.
        Trump isn't intellectually anything, unless an intellectual void can be thought of as "conservative."
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          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Read the whole thing, it's excellent. Rover's reaction is proof of the author's point.
          No, it's not. The Democrats don't lose because they don't have big ideas. They lose because the other side gets away with lying. And as long as they do there is no fix. The media this go round is more culpable than anyone to the results of the 2016 election.
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            Originally posted by Rover View Post
            Yes, you and the blogger. Now Obama's a conservative? Good Lord.
            The point I took from the article, and one that I gently made here during the campaign when I spoke about some of the reasons I didn't like HRC, is the hypocrisy. I've always thought that you guys (current Democratic Party) are hypocrites on so many things, and I think the public, no matter how stupid you think we all are, understand that too.

            The Republican Party tells you exactly what they want to do, and then they either do it or try to do it. They will tell you they are going to cut taxes. They tell you they are going to keep certain races out of the country. They tell you they are going to put up barriers to vote. They leave it up to you to figure out whether all of that is going to be personally good for you.

            The Democrats, (again, using the term broadly to cover the party of Obama and HRC), tell you about how horrible all of these Republican policies are, but then when they get elected they never do anything about them. Oh, they'll throw you a small bone periodically, but there is a reason why income inequality in this country didn't change under either Clinton or Obama. As I've said here before, I hope I am alive long enough to see the day when some African Americans in this country start talking with one another and someone asks the question, "wait a minute. Exactly what have the Democrats delivered to us in the last 50 years in exchange for our 90% vote?" You want to talk about suckers, to use the phrase popular around here.

            Why are the Democrats hypocrites? Because the dirty little secret in this country is that probably a substantial majority of the deplorable one percenters are Democrats. Tim Robbins will tell you all about the evil right, but I guarantee you he likes his money just as much as the Koch boys do.
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              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              No, it's not. The Democrats don't lose because they don't have big ideas. They lose because the other side gets away with lying. And as long as they do there is no fix. The media this go round is more culpable than anyone to the results of the 2016 election.
              That article is for people who get a tingle in their loins over ridiculous proposals that the public will never support. Lefty loons always ask "well, how can it get any worse?" It can if the GOP hits 60 votes in the Senate. Try to push some of this total idiocy that the author is spewing about and Goopers will pick up the 8 Senate seats they need in 2018. Sometimes when people are laughing at you Kep, its not because they "don't understand". Its because you're truly doing something stupid.
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                They have big ideas such as economic populism that they don't follow through with and then people start to wisen up and stop believing them... sure.

                Originally posted by SJHOVEY
                The Democrats, (again, using the term broadly to cover the party of Obama and HRC), tell you about how horrible all of these Republican policies are, but then when they get elected they never do anything about them. Oh, they'll throw you a small bone periodically, but there is a reason why income inequality in this country didn't change under either Clinton or Obama. As I've said here before, I hope I am alive long enough to see the day when some African Americans in this country start talking with one another and someone asks the question, "wait a minute. Exactly what have the Democrats delivered to us in the last 50 years in exchange for our 90% vote?" You want to talk about suckers, to use the phrase popular around here.
                I think part of this was the Republicans blocking everything they tried to do but on the whole I don't disagree all that much sadly.
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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Read the whole thing, it's excellent. Rover's reaction is proof of the author's point.
                  The blogger is exactly right. It seems to me that the only reason for the Dems fearfulness is that Repubs are angrier. That's not a good reason to concede arguments. It's lazy parenting.
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                  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    Trump isn't intellectually anything, unless an intellectual void can be thought of as "conservative."
                    I know it's not the right word, but I mean that if he could have his hearts desire he'd be a 1730 South Carolina plantation owner. Insofar as he has ideals, they are reactive and classist.
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                      The blogger's take on things is insane. Political parties are made up of the people who support them. Meaning, if Democratic voters really were buying what Bernie and this author was selling, he would have been the nominee. Elizabeth Warren would be far and away the front runner for 2020. The problem hard core lefties have is they're delusional about their actual level of support. Bernie lost because the majority of Dem voters preferred a different vision. One not quite so radical. Dislike that all you want but try to live in reality with the rest of us. There is no vast conspiracy keeping you people down. You need to convince people in the party of the merits of your positions and get people elected without resorting to lunatic conspiracy theories and skipping elections every time you don't get your way.
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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                        Originally posted by geezer View Post
                        I know it's not the right word, but I mean that if he could have his hearts desire he'd be a 1730 South Carolina plantation owner. Insofar as he has ideals, they are reactive and classist.
                        Yes, that's perfect. He's one of those idiot reactionary landowners in Czarist Russia that put the wind up Chekhov. A blustering buffoon full of himself and his money and empty not just of ideas but even of the capacity for ideas. He is Peak Heir: the quintessence of unearned wealth with nothing else added except appetite and vanity.
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                          Originally posted by geezer View Post
                          The blogger is exactly right. It seems to me that the only reason for the Dems fearfulness is that Repubs are angrier. That's not a good reason to concede arguments. It's lazy parenting.
                          No, he's not. You can't get it done. Obama was in their 8 years and he essentially got nothing accomplished. Why? The Senate. What the Republicans do to get away with it is they lie about what they're going to do and then blame the Democrats. If you believe the Democrats should start lying, go ahead. But, what invariably happens is Bernie goes out and lies to everyone about what he can get done, and then if he got the nomination they'd destroy him on socialism.

                          This is a Republican country. You either win by being better Republicans or you get your *** handed to you. The Dems have chosen the latter.
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                            It's kinda funny to hear people act like single payer/addressing wealth inequality/more leftist ideas are all super crazy when going full centrist resulted in us getting Trump in the White House.

                            Obama was in their 8 years and he essentially got nothing accomplished. Why? The Senate.
                            And yet you have no explanation for the period in which he had a dem majority.

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                              Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                              It's kinda funny to hear people act like single payer/addressing wealth inequality/more leftist ideas are all super crazy when going full centrist resulted in us getting Trump in the White House.
                              Those ideas would have lost the election too.
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                              • Originally posted by Rover View Post
                                Dislike that all you want but try to live in reality with the rest of us. There is no vast conspiracy keeping you people down. You need to convince people in the party of the merits of your positions and get people elected without resorting to lunatic conspiracy theories and skipping elections every time you don't get your way.
                                Speak for yourself in your permanent defeatism. We took option B and nominated Bernie. #pureMichigan
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