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  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

    Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
    :facepalm:
    No matter how much you guys say it you won't convince me. It's never happened in the entire history of this country. You're 0-46 right now. Obama was supposed to be your savior and he accomplished NOTHING. Zero. Nada. Everything he did is being erased. And, he did it being more conservative than W. By a long shot.

    And all you can say is next time we'll get someone better than Hillary and we'll get liberal policies.

    No. Won't happen.
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    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

      I honestly have no idea what you're trying to convey right now. What hasn't happened in the entire history of the US?

      And realistically I don't think the party is going to learn or listen to its constituents so IDK about that part either.

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      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
        It's kinda funny to hear people act like single payer/addressing wealth inequality/more leftist ideas are all super crazy when going full centrist resulted in us getting Trump in the White House.

        And yet you have no explanation for the period in which he had a dem majority.
        Yes Pelosi and her cadre didnt support the public option. They were so worried about losing their majority that it became a self fulfilling prophecy.

        Also, Obama wanted to reach across the aisle. (despite what every conservative tries to deny) He thought he could bridge the divide that Dubya caused. Problem is the GOP turned him into public enemy #1 and embraced a group of people who not only didnt think he was a citizen, but thought he was both a Muslim and a Black Christian Fundamentalist. He made the classic Dem Mistake of not worrying about winning and trying to do what he thought was right.

        If you look at the Obama his last 2 years that was the Obama that ran and beat Hillary and McCain.

        As for the nominee...speaking as a Progressive that leans far left outside of spending I will just say if they run on a Bernie style platform they will get killed by Trump...unless the person has an off the chart likeability. Most of the people dont know dick about policy they hear buzzwords and like people who make them feel good.
        "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
        -aparch

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        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
          Nowhere because Bernie ran a bad campaign far too late and somehow people think that means everyone rejects his ideas despite all proof otherwise. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8a5781bb2c17
          It isnt about rejecting his ideas, they reject him. This isnt rocket science. The guy is an Old White Jewish Independent Socialist running in a party of which he isnt a member. He also hasnt presented any hard facts on how he plans to pay for any of his ideas. That isnt a recipe for winning.
          "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
          -aparch

          "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
          -INCH

          Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
          -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

            Originally posted by Handy
            As for the nominee...speaking as a Progressive that leans far left outside of spending I will just say if they run on a Bernie style platform they will get killed by Trump...unless the person has an off the chart likeability. Most of the people dont know dick about policy they hear buzzwords and like people who make them feel good.
            IDK, I think part of Obama's popularity was he basically got into power right when occupy Wall Street was a thing and he basically took their message and ran with economic populism. It's not just that he was likable, he actually had decent ideas on what to do IRT the mess Bush left as well as tapping into peoples' anger. Bernie's platform is pretty similar.

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            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

              Obama won because his speeches won over the masses. He appealed to both the Far Left and the Centrists.
              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
              -aparch

              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
              -INCH

              Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
              -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                So here's where some of you seem to be miscalculating. The notion that what people want in their 20's is going to be the same as what they want in their 40's. This IS NOT the same thing as saying people get more conservative as they got older, because studies have shown they really don't. But, when you're 20, free weed and free college tuition paid for by tax hikes to 100% of income for anyone making over 50K a year sound pretty good. 20 years on with a family and a mortgage and a good job paying 100K, maybe getting stoned every day and having most of your income taxed really isn't your biggest priority anymore. You may not differ on you views of social justice. You may differ greatly on your priorities or your solutions.

                I do find it hilarious that moderate Dems are that way out of some fear of Reagan, a guy who took office 36 years ago. Some things have not worn well over time from the 80's. Reagan is one of them, now widely regarded as the most senile President while in office that the country has ever seen, and the only person ever seriously under consideration of having the 25th amendment invoked due to his fitness to remain in office (for the record Wilson pre-dated but was widely considered the impetus for that amendment).

                But, back to the point, arch liberals have their opportunity, every 4 years, to get their person nominated. If Dems liked Sanders that much, he would have won. He didn't. If they like him that much in 2020, he'll win. Time will tell.
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                • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                  Originally posted by Rover View Post
                  But, back to the point, arch liberals have their opportunity, every 4 years, to get their person nominated. If Dems liked Sanders that much, he would have won. He didn't. If they like him that much in 2020, he'll win. Time will tell.
                  This is absolutely true. It's always going to be hard to unseat TPTB but change should be hard.

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                  If I'm correct and the earth is rotating out from under the Democratic party then eventually the voters will simply take care of it themselves and the hacks will be unable to stop it. To the extent that our system functions at all, it still functions in that way.
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                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                    I might actually take Rover seriously if he wasn't constantly creating strawmen about what Bernie voters want but here we are (that said it is kinda funny)
                    Last edited by trixR4kids; 09-22-2017, 01:46 PM.

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                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                      I might actually take Rover seriously if he wasn't constantly creating strawmen about what Bernie voters want but here we are (that said it is kinda funny)
                      You mean you Bern-outs don't have the munchies all the time?

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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                        Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                        You mean you Bern-outs don't have the munchies all the time?
                        :shifty eyes:

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                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                          You can mock him all you want to for being trollish...his point is correct.
                          "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                          -aparch

                          "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                          -INCH

                          Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                          -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                            Lol

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                            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                              Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                              Lol
                              So if he is wrong why dont far left progressives win the nomination? Why did Bernie lose? He certainly had the money and he had enough press and chances to be on tv to get his ideas out there and win an audience. What prevented it. And please support your theory with facts. Dont tell me "it was rigged" because you sound like a Trumper when you throw around BS like that.
                              "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                              -aparch

                              "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                              -INCH

                              Of course I'm a fan of the Vikings. A sick and demented Masochist of a fan, but a fan none the less.
                              -ScoobyDoo 12/17/2007

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                              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers

                                There are a number of Bernie supporters that just can't fathom why a non-Democrat didn't win the Democratic nomination.
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