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    The electorate is weird. From the polling over the last week plus it appears that over the course of the Houston / Florida responses, Trump's approval has gone up a little... while his favorability has continued to drop.
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    ****. Please, make it stop
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    The trolling was by HRC on Bernie supporters (that she'll need in 2020 if she takes one last kick at the can). She's not doing herself any favors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The electorate is weird. From the polling over the last week plus it appears that over the course of the Houston / Florida responses, Trump's approval has gone up a little... while his favorability has continued to drop.
    THat's because Trump isn't on the front page. National disasters will fade, orange skin and urine-soaked sheets will not.

    Give it time.
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    NEW: Joe Manchin (D-WV) says Congress should explore a single payer health care system.

    Guess what's very likely to be in the Democratic agenda in 2020 despite Clinton and Kaine.
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    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...d-be-looked-at

    Yeah... That'll get the FBI off your back...
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    NEW: Joe Manchin (D-WV) says Congress should explore a single payer health care system.

    Guess what's very likely to be in the Democratic agenda in 2020 despite Clinton and Kaine.
    After Baucus and Tester, Manchin's endorsement is essentially telling us that rural / red state Dems believe Single Payer will play in Peoria. This is GREAT news! Other than radical tax reform I don't see a better and more immediate opportunity to revive the middle class than SP. Considering Baucus was more responsible than any other Democrat except maybe Lieberman for having to settle for RomneyCare, the fact that even a villainous old toad like him has gone on the record strongly for it means it is testing very well among moderate Democrats. The GOP really shot themselves in the head over all this. Or rather Trump did by winning. They could have milked Repeal & Replace for the next decade if only he hadn't given them a sweep and called their bluff.

    Push hard on this. Stay away from blacks and women and push hard, hard, hard on medical care, which greatly benefits... blacks and women! Make this the keystone first to take Congress and then to take the White House. Use this as a shovel to bludgeon the Corporate Cons' brains in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...d-be-looked-at

    Yeah... That'll get the FBI off your back...
    The Crime Family feels Mueller's breath on their necks. They're starting to panic.

    If I didn't think there was a 40% chance of a military coup by the orcs financed by the Russians, I'd be enjoying this.

    But for pragmatism's sake, yes, there is nothing the Feds like more than some pinhead from the EOP demonizing... the Feds. Bold move, Cotton.
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    NEW: Joe Manchin (D-WV) says Congress should explore a single payer health care system.

    Guess what's very likely to be in the Democratic agenda in 2020 despite Clinton and Kaine.
    So they're also admitting PPACA is a complete and utter failure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    So they're also admitting PPACA is a complete and utter failure?
    More like a stepping stone. Clearly the public is on board with charging the wealthy higher taxes to pay for health care, plus the public is reaallly defensive about Medicaid/Medicare regardless of political affiliations. Next step would be, given what we know now, expanded Medicaid for anybody not insured through their employer. Once you clear that hurdle, you can look into single payer. That's a ways off however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    So they're also admitting PPACA is a complete and utter failure?
    It is a (sacrificial) means to an end.
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    Obamacare has three problems. First, it was born a conservative con to try to prevent real medical care. We tried to improve on it but it had bad genes. Starting over with Single Payer like this is an emetic for their poison pills.

    Second, it was separable from other health care so Republicans could attack it with impunity. Extending a current system prevents the Republicans from doing that without infuriating the install base of the existing system.

    The third problem is that the states are still in control of implementation and Medicare for All shares that problem. Up until a few years ago I would have said that was critical, but I'm not sure anymore. The red states eventually have to face the consequences of voting for a terrorist organization. A system in which anyone from a blue state has Single Payer while people in red states always face the possibility of their own state f-cking them over is a just system. In some places voters will reject the GOP. In others they will fulfill Mencken's Law and get what they deserve good and hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    It is a (sacrificial) means to an end.
    It was a Republican firewall to keep as many people uninsured as possible. Even that is of course too much for the Spencerian do-chebags of the GOP, but if we can turn it into the camel's nose how fitting. And funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bronconick View Post
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    NEW: Joe Manchin (D-WV) says Congress should explore a single payer health care system.

    Guess what's very likely to be in the Democratic agenda in 2020 despite Clinton and Kaine.
    It seems like a good idea on paper...

    As Ross Perot said in 1992 "That giant sucking sound..."

    How are we going to pay for it??? After all the goodies get tacked on, the discretionary $$ in the Federal budget will be immaterial. The Feds %#^&## up everything they touch with Empire building and stacks of red tape.

    No.

    Find a way to improve the delivery of care first, as opposed to insurance, then we can talk.

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    It seems like a good idea on paper...

    The Feds %#^&## up everything they touch with Empire building and stacks of red tape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    It seems like a good idea on paper...

    As Ross Perot said in 1992 "That giant sucking sound..."

    How are we going to pay for it??? After all the goodies get tacked on, the discretionary $$ in the Federal budget will be immaterial. The Feds %#^&## up everything they touch with Empire building and stacks of red tape.

    No.

    Find a way to improve the delivery of care first, as opposed to insurance, then we can talk.
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