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    A Mexican standoff between Trump, Ryan/McConnell, and the Freedumbs is going to be a pretty self-destructive way for the GOP to spend the next 14 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    A Mexican standoff between Trump, Ryan/McConnell, and the Freedumbs is going to be a pretty self-destructive way for the GOP to spend the next 14 months.
    And they'll still get their requisite votes.
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    One thing to watch is Gooper reps headed for the exits. Already have 4 announcing their retirements in swing districts and things are only going to get worse in DC once the debt limit expires at the end of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    And they'll still get their requisite votes.
    Maybe not. The vote in 2016 was a middle finger to the status quo. Well, the status quo is now entirely Republican. They will try to run against Washington but now they are Washington. The Fox crowd will fall for it, but they aren't enough to win an election -- you also need employed people who want to feel like their kids have a shot. These Republicans haven't given them any reason to feel that way. These Republicans are obviously only about feathering their own nests, and people hate that.

    The Democrats can still blow it of course by letting BLM and the Millennial Snot Nosed Front be their public face. But that tends to happen in years when the fix is in, and 2020 will be a wide open nomination. Barring something stupendously f-cked up like Kanye/Streisand pulling a Trump, the candidates will sort themselves into orderly little rows of moderates and liberals and we'll wind up with a split ticket, most likely with the moderate at the top. Breitbart and Trump will be calling from inside the house, and people will just want relief from the clown show. Trump will have had almost 2 full years of CronyCrime to be attacked on. And the Noise Machine and the NRA will be looking at their lower revenue and thinking about how much more they can extract from the suckers as the opposition.

    tl; dr: Fatigue and the intangibles will be working for us this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Maybe not. The vote in 2016 was a middle finger to the status quo. Well, the status quo is now entirely Republican. They will try to run against Washington but now they are Washington. The Fox crowd will fall for it, but they aren't enough to win an election -- you also need employed people who want to feel like their kids have a shot. These Republicans haven't given them any reason to feel that way. These Republicans are obviously only about feathering their own nests, and people hate that.

    The Democrats can still blow it of course by letting BLM and the Millennial Snot Nosed Front be their public face. But that tends to happen in years when the fix is in, and 2020 will be a wide open nomination. Barring something stupendously f-cked up like Kanye/Streisand pulling a Trump, the candidates will sort themselves into orderly little rows of moderates and liberals and we'll wind up with a split ticket, most likely with the moderate at the top. Breitbart and Trump will be calling from inside the house, and people will just want relief from the clown show. Trump will have had almost 2 full years of CronyCrime to be attacked on. And the Noise Machine and the NRA will be looking at their lower revenue and thinking about how much more they can extract from the suckers as the opposition.

    tl; dr: Fatigue and the intangibles will be working for us this time.
    You still fail to realize that NONE of the people voting against Washington will EVER think that Donald Trump or any other Republican they voted for is Washington. It never happens. The rules are different. Republicans never have to bathe in their own stink no matter how ****ing bad it smells.
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    You still fail to realize that NONE of the people voting against Washington will EVER think that Donald Trump or any other Republican they voted for is Washington. It never happens. The rules are different. Republicans never have to bathe in their own stink no matter how ****ing bad it smells.
    2006. 2008. It happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Let's all pause for a moment to reflect that independent of his other moral and ethical failings, the President is, at bottom, rock stupid.
    He should incorporate their brand into some of his properties!

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    2006. 2008. It happens.
    Uh, huh. And people forgot as soon as 2010. Democrats they never forget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Uh, huh. And people forgot as soon as 2010. Democrats they never forget.
    But in 2010 we were in power.

    I'm saying that in that final 10 percent people are voting based on resentment and anger at the incumbent. It's not about issues or stances or policy or history. It's just that incumbency is a red cape and those people are the bull.

    If this is true we should see an oscillation as the out party benefits from that anger, becomes the in party, and then immediately becomes hated for being the incumbent. Since neither party is able to materially help people the cycle is unbroken, as Republicans use their incumbency to enrich themselves and Democrats use their incumbency to repair some but never all of the damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    But in 2010 we were in power.

    I'm saying that in that final 10 percent people are voting based on resentment and anger at the incumbent. It's not about issues or stances or policy or history. It's just that incumbency is a red cape and those people are the bull.

    If this is true we should see an oscillation as the out party benefits from that anger, becomes the in party, and then immediately becomes hated for being the incumbent.
    LOL. And you think it's even?

    That oscillation may occur but the number of intractable's (the ones that always vote one side or for their party's nominee) on the right FAR EXCEED the number on the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    LOL. And you think it's even?

    That oscillation may occur but the number of intractable's (the ones that always vote one side or for their party's nominee) on the right FAR EXCEED the number on the left.
    What is interesting is that the Republican Party obviously has this deep pool of nutjobs on the far Right, that the rest of the party willingly ignores just to keep majority control. The rest of the party kowtow's to the fringe.

    Obviously we've seen a whole bunch of potential fracture points that should have happened, and yet, GOP stalwarts continue to plod along as if everything is a-okay.

    What needs to happen before moderates and not so deep right leaning GOP's yell 'stop?'

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    What needs to happen before moderates and not so deep right leaning GOP's yell 'stop?'
    It'll never happen. Never.
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    @realDonaldTrump: I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th.


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    @realDonaldTrump: I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th.


    Our President, folks.
    But he didn't tweet that as president, so it doesn't matter.
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    LOL. And you think it's even?

    That oscillation may occur but the number of intractable's (the ones that always vote one side or for their party's nominee) on the right FAR EXCEED the number on the left.
    No, there are more of us. We have the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections. We out-polled the GOP in House elections by over a million votes last time even in the face of the New Jim Crow.

    There are more of us, and there are fewer of them every day as they die of their life decisions younger than we do. And while they use their women as incubators we also have the enormous majority of new immigrants.

    Their only hope is to cheat and they couldn't even cheat on their own in 2016, they needed the Russians' help. We will continue to oscillate until either the plutes stage a coup or we get our republic back.
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    Our President, folks.
    Given the morons who are just playing identity politics in trying to attack everything that happens just because Trump's in office, I don't blame him. He's still your President, no matter how much y'all want to ***** and complain. If you firmly believe he isn't, then GT*O.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aparch View Post
    What is interesting is that the Republican Party obviously has this deep pool of nutjobs on the far Right, that the rest of the party willingly ignores just to keep majority control. The rest of the party kowtow's to the fringe.

    Obviously we've seen a whole bunch of potential fracture points that should have happened, and yet, GOP stalwarts continue to plod along as if everything is a-okay.

    What needs to happen before moderates and not so deep right leaning GOP's yell 'stop?'
    It's being yelled now. What was seen in 2011 is exactly what's being seen today, and it takes a man like Donald Trump to stand up to those morons and say "no more". He has no deference to any political party; his deference is to the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    It's being yelled now. What was seen in 2011 is exactly what's being seen today, and it takes a man like Donald Trump to stand up to those morons and say "no more". He has no deference to any political party; his deference is to the people.
    Most of the people want him to step down. When is he going to defer to their will?

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    No, there are more of us. We have the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections. We out-polled the GOP in House elections by over a million votes last time even in the face of the New Jim Crow.

    There are more of us, and there are fewer of them every day as they die of their life decisions younger than we do. And while they use their women as incubators we also have the enormous majority of new immigrants.

    Their only hope is to cheat and they couldn't even cheat on their own in 2016, they needed the Russians' help. We will continue to oscillate until either the plutes stage a coup or we get our republic back.
    In Electoral College land there is more of THEM than US. And that's not going to change.
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    In Electoral College land there is more of THEM than US. And that's not going to change.
    The EC can turn too, though. Only a year ago the CW was that the Democrats had an all-but unscalable EV firewall.

    The GOP does get the house effect (actually, the Senate effect) of the "dirt and shrubs electors," but who knows how that will look in 20-30 years? You think as the red becomes more and more consumed by the plutes the farmers of NE and KS and those other forgettable states are going to keep casting their lot with those fancy east coast banker Jews who keep foreclosing on them? You just never know.

    The GOP and the Echo Chamber have hitched their wagon to a dying demo because it's easier to scare old people and suck them dry. The Democrats went into eclipse from the 70s through the 00s in large part because we were hitched to the dying mass who remembered FDR saving the world. When that support goes it goes, and short of Google stealing a march on God Inc. and patenting Eternal Life, it will continue to run out the drain like expired milk. How much of Steven Colbert's audience will die in the next ten years? 5%? Now how much of Rush's? 50%?

    The Noise Machine Scam is coming to an end but the GOP has painted themselves into a corner. How exactly does an old white male fascist party rebrand itself? Has that ever even happened? In other countries they've died off, but those were not two party systems.
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