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    Yep. Good vote 53% of white women. Good vote.

    So, basically he wants the Filibuster destroyed. He figures if he ticks Turtle Boy off by siding with Democrats he'll do it. This isn't about keeping the government open or passing DACA. This is about getting Turtle Boy to make the Democrats squeal.
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    So, basically he wants the Filibuster destroyed. He figures if he ticks Turtle Boy off by siding with Democrats he'll do it. This isn't about keeping the government open or passing DACA. This is about getting Turtle Boy to make the Democrats squeal.
    We've talked about this before but in the long run reducing all votes to simple majority would help the good guys. The GOP has effectively used cloture on spending bills as a ratchet to make it easier to achieve their priorities than ours. Nuking the filibuster would certainly increase volatility, but primarily on the liberal side. Conservatives are already able to devastate huge swathes of the population by simple majority. We would create balance by being able to help them by simple majority. And that threat would also rein in the more moderate GOPers from tagging along with the Freedumbers and other rightwing terrorists.

    Also: once you get rid of the filibuster the Senate no longer serves any purpose. Since the Senate is inherently undemocratic this is one more step in the long journey towards making America a nation governed by its people rather than dirt and dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    We've talked about this before but in the long run reducing all votes to simple majority would help the good guys. The GOP has effectively used cloture on spending bills as a ratchet to make it easier to achieve their priorities than ours. Nuking the filibuster would certainly increase volatility, but primarily on the liberal side. Conservatives are already able to devastate huge swathes of the population by simple majority. We would create balance by being able to help them by simple majority. And that threat would also rein in the more moderate GOPers from tagging along with the Freedumbers and other rightwing terrorists.

    Also: once you get rid of the filibuster the Senate no longer serves any purpose. Since the Senate is inherently undemocratic this is one more step in the long journey towards making America a nation governed by its people rather than dirt and dollars.
    You do understand this imposes pure Democray to the Legislative Branch. Mob Rules. I don't find that a good thing. I suppose it will be ok with the Courts and Executive but the Courts are going to be Orcville for the next 30 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    You do understand this imposes pure Democray to the Legislative Branch.
    Oh FFS it does not, your exaggerations are ridiculous. Pure democracy is we all show up at the Acropolis on Saturday and vote and the majority decides everything no appeal no exceptions no scope limits.

    We will still have a Congress, we will still have political parties, we will still have strong Constitutional protections against the statutory violation of minority rights, we will still have a thousand things preventing the people from actually getting a say in their lives.

    Don't worry -- the United States will always be a deeply undemocratic nation. Property will always be far more well protected than human life. That will never change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Also: once you get rid of the filibuster the Senate no longer serves any purpose. Since the Senate is inherently undemocratic this is one more step in the long journey towards making America a nation governed by its people rather than dirt and dollars.
    I don't see that as a good thing.

    Our country is not a pure democracy, and it should not be ruled a such. Just because money has wound it's way into the halls of our government should not remove the rights of the minority- be it the individual citizen or the low population state.

    I personally can't see how removing the filibuster fixes anything with regard to money and influence. Not at all. As a matter of fact, the way money can manipulate the opinion of the masses/mob, doing that suggests that getting rid of the filibuster makes that bad portion of our system even worse.

    Sorry- the Senate is NOT purely democratic, and it's set up intentionally to be that way. That's the entire point. It evens out the speech of the small groups to the speech of the majority. Which is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    I don't see that as a good thing.

    Our country is not a pure democracy, and it should not be ruled a such. Just because money has wound it's way into the halls of our government should not remove the rights of the minority- be it the individual citizen or the low population state.

    I personally can't see how removing the filibuster fixes anything with regard to money and influence. Not at all. As a matter of fact, the way money can manipulate the opinion of the masses/mob, doing that suggests that getting rid of the filibuster makes that bad portion of our system even worse.

    Sorry- the Senate is NOT purely democratic, and it's set up intentionally to be that way. That's the entire point. It evens out the speech of the small groups to the speech of the majority. Which is a good thing.
    Outside of the days where you step into the voting booth, with the POTUS elections excluded, nothing in our republic is a democracy.
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    Lol, sounds like Christie got denied a cabinet position because he wasn't even more of a scumbag http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3480130

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    Quote Originally Posted by trixR4kids View Post
    Lol, sounds like Christie got denied a cabinet position because he wasn't even more of a scumbag http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3480130
    Nah, Christie is a total scumbag; this just proves he's wishy-washy and vain. You wanna hang with Trump? Then you'd better own it, and not balk when he says offensive/stupid things, because you know he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Nah, Christie is a total scumbag; this just proves he's wishy-washy and vain. You wanna hang with Trump? Then you'd better own it, and not balk when he says offensive/stupid things, because you know he will.

    There's no walking the line here.
    This. Christie's perfidy knows no bottom. He just guessed wrong on that one.
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    Yep, the Orcs sure are dying off. Right, Kep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Yep, the Orcs sure are dying off. Right, Kep?
    Yes, I believe that. There will always be a non-trivial number of cave dwellers for con artists like Rush to fleece, but they have shrunk as a percentage of the population steadily over the last century. The fact that Obama was elected, and re-elected, is testament to this. Make Obama the Democratic nominee in 1948 and see what happens.
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    Yes, I believe that. There will always be a non-trivial number of cave dwellers for con artists like Rush to fleece, but they have shrunk as a percentage of the population steadily over the last century. The fact that Obama was elected, and re-elected, is testament to this. Make Obama the Democratic nominee in 1948 and see what happens.
    I'm not convinced. We are the only country in the World pulling out of the Paris Accords. We are unique in our Orc-iness on this planet.
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    Also: once you get rid of the filibuster the Senate no longer serves any purpose. Since the Senate is inherently undemocratic this is one more step in the long journey towards making America a nation governed by its people rather than dirt and dollars.
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    I'm not convinced. We are the only country in the World pulling out of the Paris Accords. We are unique in our Orc-iness on this planet.
    That's not on the orcs, it's on the plutes.

    The GOP Platform:

    Orcs: racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, protectionism, Thumper Talibanism

    Plutes: political bribery, environmental destruction, gutting labor laws, gutting consumer protection, 1%er theft

    Both: Forever War, imperialism, neofeudalism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    That's not on the orcs, it's on the plutes.

    The GOP Platform:

    Orcs: racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, protectionism, Thumper Talibanism

    Plutes: political bribery, environmental destruction, gutting labor laws, gutting consumer protection, 1%er theft

    Both: Forever War, imperialism, neofeudalism
    LOL. That makes sense. I'm with ya now. That also means that if we kill off the Orcs we still have a plute problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    LOL. That makes sense. I'm with ya now. That also means that if we kill off the Orcs we still have a plute problem.
    Even if we kill off the Orcs we will be back to 30% Orcs sometime in the fairly near future. Orcism seems to be a mathematical consequence of the species. It is impervious to education, experience, culture, or any form of external improvement and it is incapable of internal improvement. There may just be an Orc Gene where the curiosity and self-examination bits are frozen on 0 and the cowardice and revenge bits are frozen on 1. Killing the Orcs won't help.

    We don't have to kill the Plutes, either. Just take their stuff -- those who can accumulate more will deserve it (for this generation) and those who don't will fade back into the oblivion of a Trump born penniless. Repeat each generation.

    That's the cool thing about real social justice. It needs no violence other than resistance to the Orc and Plute violence that is enshrined in the coercion of the State. Gandhi and King understood this, and the sooner we do the sooner we'll win.
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    LOL. We should shower him with praise whenever he does stuff like this.

    He's single-handedly set the GOP agenda back about 36 weeks in the last 36 hours. Shower him with adulation. Everybody wins.

    He's obviously trying to double-cross the Dems by seeming to play to us, whereupon we will... I dunno, put our head in his mouth and then SNAP!?

    Whatever the moron is trying to do, just be sure to compliment him whenever he does something accidentally useful, while of course never trusting the fat fool for even a microsecond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    That's not on the orcs, it's on the plutes.

    The GOP Platform:

    Orcs: racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, protectionism, Thumper Talibanism

    Plutes: political bribery, environmental destruction, gutting labor laws, gutting consumer protection, 1%er theft

    Both: Forever War, imperialism, neofeudalism
    So you didnt look at any of the pictures from Charlottesville then? Most of the people marching werent old... (see also: The Burning Cross Picture from HS students in Iowa)

    You need to take a step back and look at the big picture, not just the whiners on cable news. The youth in America are no less racist or sexist than the old just walk on a college campus you will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    So you didnt look at any of the pictures from Charlottesville then? Most of the people marching werent old... (see also: The Burning Cross Picture from HS students in Iowa)

    You need to take a step back and look at the big picture, not just the whiners on cable news. The youth in America are no less racist or sexist than the old just walk on a college campus you will see.
    Math. Math. Math.

    There are young racist as-sholes now.

    There were more in the past.

    They've been dying off. That doesn't mean they're dead. It doesn't mean the racists you meet will be old -- most old racists are hunched over the bar or the barber chair in Nobuttsecks, Jesusland drooling about Dubyadubyatwothebigone. The ones who get out and around are going to be the young ones. They still exist. As long as there are trailer parks fat prairie brood sows will be splooshing out litters of them.

    But there are fewer now.

    JTC, math just isn't that hard.
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