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  • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

    This will be fun. The rare Ultramontanist Thumper.
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    • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

      Originally posted by BassAle View Post
      thus abortion, which they don't really give a **** about, is used to convince people to vote against their own interests so the GOP can funnel more money to the wealthy. Does Joe realize he's being used?
      Nah, he's taking a moral stand.
      What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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      • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        Remind me again which party you vote for...
        I prefer a Tom Clancy solution. Failing that, morally responsible people would fit the bill.

        Since everyone in political Washington is morally bankrupt, I'm not looking back when the brimstone falls.
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        • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          I prefer a Tom Clancy solution. Failing that, morally responsible people would fit the bill.

          Since everyone in political Washington is morally bankrupt, I'm not looking back when the brimstone falls.
          That is an evasion. On the specific issue you cited there is a significant, substantive policy difference between the parties, with the one you vote for committed to the very thing you hate while the one you don't committed to trying to eradicate it. And yet you vote against your values.

          People do that -- values rarely align perfectly with the parties. But to try to muddy the waters with "BSAB" is obfuscation and deflection. Why not say that in this instance your anti-abortion value more than cancels out your economic justice value? Why pretend that there is no difference between the parties and this drowns your preference on the latter?

          After all, if there is really no difference then there is no reason for you to vote based on the former, either.
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          • Originally posted by joecct View Post
            I prefer a Tom Clancy solution.
            An airliner killing all but about 12 people? How very Christian of you.

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            • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

              Originally posted by unofan View Post
              An airliner killing all but about 12 people? How very Christian of you.
              Well, they're not in the womb at the moment, so...
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              • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

                The best people.

                http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...deputy-nominee
                What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  On the specific issue you cited there is a significant, substantive policy difference between the parties, with the one you vote for committed to the very thing you hate while the one you don't committed to trying to eradicate it.
                  Well I'm not sure the more centrist/neoliberal Dems are looking to do anything about it.

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                  • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    That is an evasion. On the specific issue you cited there is a significant, substantive policy difference between the parties, with the one you vote for committed to the very thing you hate while the one you don't committed to trying to eradicate it. And yet you vote against your values.

                    People do that -- values rarely align perfectly with the parties. But to try to muddy the waters with "BSAB" is obfuscation and deflection. Why not say that in this instance your anti-abortion value more than cancels out your economic justice value? Why pretend that there is no difference between the parties and this drowns your preference on the latter?

                    After all, if there is really no difference then there is no reason for you to vote based on the former, either.
                    Why not just go all the way and point out that since abortion will never go away, one of the best ways to reduce it would be to encourage economic justice. If joe really wants to reduce abortions, lifting women out of poverty may be the best way to do it.

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                    • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

                      Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                      Well I'm not sure the more centrist/neoliberal Dems are looking to do anything about it.
                      They nibble around the edges. It's true that come the revolution they go to the wall along with Cheney, but in the meantime they are certainly the lesser of two evils.
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                      • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

                        Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                        If joe really wants to reduce abortions, lifting women out of poverty may be the best way to do it.
                        Really the ONLY way. Abortions will only go away when unwanted pregnancies go away. Educated women who can financially care for their children, born and unborn, rarely have unwanted pregnancies.

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                        • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          They nibble around the edges. It's true that come the revolution they go to the wall along with Cheney, but in the meantime they are certainly the lesser of two evils.
                          You'd better be careful, or Hillary's going to sic the Arkancide Squad on you first.

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                          • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

                            Uh, so Schumer and Pelosi now cut a deal with Trump to pass DACA in exchange for increased funding for border security but excluding a wall.
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                            • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

                              Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                              Uh, so Schumer and Pelosi now cut a deal with Trump to pass DACA in exchange for increased funding for border security but excluding a wall.
                              Once again Ryan and McConnell are shown to be the Two Stooges.
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                              • Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

                                Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                                Uh, so Schumer and Pelosi now cut a deal with Trump to pass DACA in exchange for increased funding for border security but excluding a wall.
                                We now go live to Trump Country:

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