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  • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

    Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    26 killed, 24 injured by self proclaimed atheist in church shooting in Sunderland Springs. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-atheism.html

    No nationality, race...or belief system causes hatred or violence. There is some crazy in all of them. My hope is that some day everyone realizes and acknowledges that...so we can better address it.
    Oh, honey. The whole DEVIN KEELEY IS DUR ATHEIST!!! thing looks like a RWNJ myth. But I'm sure you meant to sincerely decouple creed from violence.

    When Thumpers attempt to play 3D chess like this it's obvious and pathetic. Please, try not to overthink it.
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    • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      Oh, honey. The whole DEVIN KEELEY IS DUR ATHEIST!!! thing looks like a RWNJ myth. But I'm sure you meant to sincerely decouple creed from violence.
      Relax. And yes, he's truly an atheist https://www.google.com/search?source....0.FtoYgD0etto

      Why is it so hard to understand that extremists are first extremists? Even today many crimes are committed by those who claim to have faith...and there are many that are committed by those who claim to be atheists.

      I would encourage you to get over the 'this group good', 'that group bad' syndrome. Extremism is based on individuals.
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      • Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
        I would encourage you to get over the 'this group good', 'that group bad' syndrome. Extremism is based on individuals.
        ...sayeth the guy who attributes all charity to Christianity to the exclusion of others.

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        • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

          Originally posted by unofan View Post
          ...sayeth the guy who attributes all charity to Christianity to the exclusion of others.
          Remember, mercy and love came into the world with Jesus. Just forget about everything before 33 AD, and everything in the East.
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          • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

            Originally posted by unofan View Post
            ...sayeth the guy who attributes all charity to Christianity to the exclusion of others.
            Not true. Charities are frequently founded on or based on Christian principles - and charities are a major conduit for helping others. I don't think that's much of a stretch.

            Sunderland Springs was tragic in a way similar to other extremist acts of terror. That's all.
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            • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              Oh, honey. The whole DEVIN KEELEY IS DUR ATHEIST!!! thing looks like a RWNJ myth. But I'm sure you meant to sincerely decouple creed from violence.

              When Thumpers attempt to play 3D chess like this it's obvious and pathetic. Please, try not to overthink it.
              Odd he brings this up when the worst attacks in our nation's history were committed in the name of God. hmmm....



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              • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

                Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                Odd he brings this up when the worst attacks in our nation's history were committed in the name of God.
                9/11 was caused by terrorist extremists who had been indoctrinated by other terrorist extremists. That's the way the US government has treated it, law has treated it...and most of society has treated it.

                Sunderland Springs was caused by a terrorist extremist working on his own. And that's the way, the US government, law and most of society will see it.

                Terror is terror...regardless of who's 'team' the terrorist is on.
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                • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

                  Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  No true scotsman in 3... 2...
                  Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                  9/11 was caused by terrorist extremists who had been indoctrinated by other terrorist extremists. That's the way the US government has treated it, law has treated it...and most of society has treated it.

                  Sunderland Springs was caused by a terrorist extremist working on his own. And that's the way, the US government, law and most of society will see it.

                  Terror is terror...regardless of who's 'team' the terrorist is on.
                  Close enough.
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                  Originally posted by bigblue_dl
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                  Originally posted by Kepler
                  When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                  He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                  • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

                    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                    Close enough.
                    You obviously have no idea what no true scotsman is.
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                      • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

                        Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                        Case in point...would you say that you never post in the religion thread? Afterall, why would you...you don't believe in God.
                        Because I believe in religion -- it's a social fact. And I'm fascinated by it, just like I'm fascinated by horror movies and politics and porn -- it's human beings inventing weird, creative ways to entertain themselves and try to get at a particular itch.

                        I love oblique attacks on meaning and religion is one of the best human beings have ever made. Poetry is better and comedy is far better, but religion is the only game human beings have ever invented that anybody can play. Because of that, religion has all the voices of man that ever existed clambering in it, shaping it, re-inventing it. It's even better than chess, and chess is pretty d-mn great.

                        I am hard on you in particular for selfish reasons: your particular error, the straightforward and unapologetic equation of your faith with "truth," is in truth no dumber than any other person of faith's Missing Of The Point. It just happens to grind my gears in particular because it is the aesthetic equivalent of iconoclasm. In your perfect world, the effulgence of religion -- it's endless, ridiculous diversity -- is replaced by a machine punching out identical templates of one extraordinarily dull and fractionally insignificant instance of this great art. You would burn all the libraries of poems except for one limerick, which isn't even dirty.

                        My fury at you in particular is my own autobiography, and I should probably stop it. It's not like you're ever going to come close. I promise to stop heckling and hectoring you. Evidently you can be bounded in a nutshell and count yourself a king of infinite space, and quite frankly that is something precious and exemplary. Please accept my sincere apologies.
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                        • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

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                          • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Because I believe in religion -- it's a social fact. And I'm fascinated by it, just like I'm fascinated by horror movies and politics and porn -- it's human beings inventing weird, creative ways to entertain themselves and try to get at a particular itch.

                            I love oblique attacks on meaning and religion is one of the best human beings have ever made. Poetry is better and comedy is far better, but religion is the only game human beings have ever invented that anybody can play. Because of that, religion has all the voices of man that ever existed clambering in it, shaping it, re-inventing it. It's even better than chess, and chess is pretty d-mn great.

                            I am hard on you in particular for selfish reasons: your particular error, the straightforward and unapologetic equation of your faith with "truth," is in truth no dumber than any other person of faith's Missing Of The Point. It just happens to grind my gears in particular because it is the aesthetic equivalent of iconoclasm. In your perfect world, the effulgence of religion -- it's endless, ridiculous diversity -- is replaced by a machine punching out identical templates of one extraordinarily dull and fractionally insignificant instance of this great art. You would burn all the libraries of poems except for one limerick, which isn't even dirty.

                            My fury at you in particular is my own autobiography, and I should probably stop it. It's not like you're ever going to come close. I promise to stop heckling and hectoring you. Evidently you can be bounded in a nutshell and count yourself a king of infinite space, and quite frankly that is something precious and exemplary. Please accept my sincere apologies.
                            Frankly I don't see you as harsh on anyone - if so, I would think its likely I've said worse things about you (and I wasn't 'harsh').

                            I may be wrong, but it appears that you have thoroughly indicted faith. And it appears that the faith youre fighting is based in the 1940s...at least, I don't see it in Minneapolis. From what I can tell, you have a two pronged rationale approach to your dislike:

                            1) the 'stupidity' of belief in a God that you don't believe in.

                            So your position is that those of faith are wrong because God can't exist. Aren't you becoming the same black and white ideologue as those you despise? By inferring broad conclusions based on extreme individual examples mirrors pundit ideologue tactics. You feel this way, because others have no evidence that God exists. Where's the evidence God doesn't exist? Can't you have some position in between absolutely yes and absolutely no? That to me seems far more rationale and normal.

                            I can't necessarily speak for other religions...but in the end, Christianity isn't about God existing or not existing. If a lampshade was God, what purpose would it have? Nothing. Meaning (the Word) makes all the difference. God is love. End of story. If God actually does or doesn't exist, it wouldn't change a thing...you'd still have everyone doing what they're doing. Am I right? Its about the meaning...and doing good for your fellow man. Don't be an a hole.

                            Regardless, you seem like someone who's out for the best for people. Why would you not support others finding the best path for themselves? Maybe atheism is the best path. Great, they should do that. Maybe faith is the best path? They should do that. There are 9 different major personality types and one size absolutely does not fit all. Do the greater good and don't discourage people from finding the best path for themselves.

                            Other reason for your dislike seems to be 2) examples of bad behaviors by those with faith. Of course, there's validity there. But as I keep saying extremists are baked into society...you find them everywhere. There are extremist Germans, extremist blacks, extremist Americans, extremist atheists and yes, extremist Christians. Extremism is not created by Germany, blacks, Americans, atheism or Christianity. Extremists have the make up already and are drawn to those ideologies.

                            I'm sure I don't have to tell you about the logical fallacies tied to making assumptions about assuming bad Christian behavior equals bad Christianity - including the fallacy of composition. You have shown articles of bad Christians. I have shown articles of Christians driving charitable outcomes and that have saved lives - and society has been impacted in a positive way by the Gospels. While I would never claim all Christians are good people...I'm not sure how skeptics can deny claims that faith is improving countless lives globally through it efforts. Lastly, I don't understand why atheists burn so much capital fighting what is really an important and positive tool in so many peoples lives...when they could be using that energy to enact real good in society in other ways.
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                            • Well, it's not all bad with my family. I do have my stepmom, my brother and his wife, and a few cousins. Talked to one last night. I have that set's support at least.

                              And 5mn_Major, do I believe ALL Christians are horrible human beings? No. There are good people who do love me no matter what. However, it's people like my aunt that ruin it for the rest of you.
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                              • Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

                                THose people are not Christians, they just think they are

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