POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

To be fair to Trump, Congress has been a disaster this century. He might not be the solution, but he has accurately diagnosed the problem with regard to them.

The ONLY reason that congress has problems is that someone has demonized compromise.

Which means it has become "my way or the highway" in terms of agenda.

Which is 100% a republican thing.

When the ACA, nobody thought that the Democrats who voted against were bad- it's just that they didn't get what they wanted. The fact that not all D's agreed on the policy was somehow a measure of it being a bad idea and a bad bill.

But when the ACA repeal went down because of McCain- he became an awful person to be blamed for not being in lock step.

This country used to work just fine on compromise and everyone getting a little of what they wanted, and letting the other guy getting a little of what they wanted. Again, do we need to remind you which administration had a balanced budget?

Compromise makes sure that not one thing is overly a burden. It makes people LISTEN.

The loss of compromise is 100% due to the republican party. A-holes.

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Dude on my (now former) hockey team was peddling that. It obviously ignores the fact that Republicans and various states did everything in their power to neuter it. That said, at the time it was happening, I wasn't paying close attention to the origins of Obamacare and what compromises had to be made for it to pass originally.

The real origins of Obamacare was RomneyCare.

Which is exactly why R's can't come up with a better idea- that IS their best idea. It's a brilliant COMPROMISE to get more healthcare coverage.

[mookie1995]

Trump's "focus on spending" comes down to a huge boost in the military budget and a tax cut for the 1% that will blow an even bigger hole in the debt.

The Democrats have been the more responsible party on spending for 25 years now. "Spending" for Republicans is an empty phrase, reduced to the emotional dog whistle "let's stick it to the whores and n-ggers."

Both sides spend like drunken Indians


(Another great SNL skit with heather locklear)

[mookie1995]

I'm pretty cynical but I don't believe there are a million Nazis in the US. Not outside of prison, anyway. My guess is the grand total of all the actual Nazis in the US is under 10,000 and the grand total of all the violent white supremacists in the US is under 100,000. Not people with stupid racist beliefs, which evidently is about half the Republican party, but people willing to achieve their ends with physical force.

As for the number of people who unironically read stuff like InfoWars and Breitbart, I doubt there are even 100,000. 95% of sales of the Weekly World News were for jokes. People read InfoWars for the same reason -- it's just so monumentally stupid that it's funny to laugh at them and egg them on.

Mookie will take the over

[mookie1995]

The real origins of Obamacare was RomneyCare.

Which is exactly why R's can't come up with a better idea- that IS their best idea. It's a brilliant COMPROMISE to get more healthcare coverage.

One can never be wrong this way

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

In fairness to libs, those criticizing Mr. Obama were way left of most Ds and the DNC and effectively want elimination of all "map lines" (elimination of any sort of jurisdictional sovereignty).

Source?

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

A reason not to be amused by the narcissistic sh-tbag with the nuke codes.

[trixR4kids]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

The real origins of Obamacare was RomneyCare.

Which is exactly why R's can't come up with a better idea- that IS their best idea. It's a brilliant COMPROMISE to get more healthcare coverage.

Right, I'm more curious as to what the whole process was. Did Obama push single payer first, it didn't pass, and then have to compromise to get to ACA/Obamacare?

[Kepler]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

A good piece on our Bush Era descent into depravity and fascism, courtesy of lawyers.

God knows that it will be 1000x worse under Trump if he gets his way. Dubya, though inept, was not evil. Trump is both.

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Right, I'm more curious as to what the whole process was. Did Obama push single payer first, it didn't pass, and then have to compromise to get to ACA/Obamacare?

That, I don't remember.

I do remember my office mate asking me why some Islamist thing was in the bill. So I looked up the word in the actual bill- it wasn't there. Lots of fake news about the ACA swirled back then.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Source?

Who did the criticizing?
Self-identification.

[Rover]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Right, I'm more curious as to what the whole process was. Did Obama push single payer first, it didn't pass, and then have to compromise to get to ACA/Obamacare?

My understanding is Obama wanted the so-called public option whereby insurers would in fact be competing against govt insurance (overly simplistic I'm sure). On that note Joe Leiberman was adamantly opposed, and with his opposition and the Dems not going through reconciliation to pass the bill they needed all 60 Senators to vote yes.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

My understanding is Obama wanted the so-called public option whereby insurers would in fact be competing against govt insurance (overly simplistic I'm sure). On that note Joe Leiberman was adamantly opposed, and with his opposition and the Dems not going through reconciliation to pass the bill they needed all 60 Senators to vote yes.

Reason 7,546,432 that Joe Leiberman is drip slime.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Someone asked Sarah Huckleberry today "who" the good people were that were marching in Charlottesville with the KKK/Skin Heads/Neo-Nazi's/Nazi's. She refused to answer.

I'd really like to know.

[alfablue]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Reason 7,546,432 that Joe Leiberman is drip slime.

He may be slime, but because of the compromise that was done, R's had and have nothing. And have been completely embarrassed by it.

Other than hate for the ACA. dump complains that they have nothing, but nobody seems to point out that HE doesn't have any alternative, either. The only thing dump contributes is repeal and nothing- which is not what he sold is voters. Although, I expect that his voters anticipate that to come up someday. Not sure when...

(when reason would be- if you really have something that's a good replacement, you would have it on the table right away, and not just rely on R's for their (lack of) ideas.)