POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

[French Rage]

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Trump called the 20,000 "anti-police agitators"

That explains all of the stories of counter-protestors helping guide ralliers through the barricades. And the whopping 8 reported arrests out of 20K people!

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Trump called the 20,000 "anti-police agitators"

Soros broke out the checkbook again.

[Jimjamesak]

Soros broke out the checkbook again.

Ya know that's the thing that keeps from these protests. Who do I bill my hours to? Is it Soros directly? Do I bill to the union and he reemburses them? Is it a holding company? Obviously I'm not liberal enough.

[Kepler]

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Okay, let's go with 10 years from now, where will we be? Enough time for changes to be made, but not enough time for a full generational swing.

Ten years from now all the confederate statues will be gone in the free states except the ones on battlefields that memorialize the fallen. In a few places like Portland or Cambridge slave-owners' statues will probably removed in the same way that, say, Yale renamed a building named after a slaveholder, but that won't catch on nationally because Washington and Jefferson were slave-owners and we're keeping them.

In the slave states, very little will change. The GOP will use this as a way to milk votes from the hicks just like they did with gay marriage and trans bathrooms. It's their same old strategy of appealing to fear and bigotry to screen an agenda that calls for cutting the taxes of the rich and rolling back worker and consumer protections. This will allow a lot of dingbats in a lot of dingbat districts to tub thump and raise money.

[alfablue]

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Trump called the 20,000 "anti-police agitators"

He is so pathetic.

I watched a little CNN, and they were showing the counter protesters chanting "black lives matter".

I wonder what the "free speech" crowd were saying. Nobody stopped them from talking, just from hearing each other.

[alfablue]

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Boston Police and Mass State Police roughing up the alt-left(or whatever you call it) right now.

LOL- the police commissioner is pointing out that the only violence was when they (the police) escorted the "free speech" ralliers out of the Boston Common.

Sure doesn't sound like the police were that upset with the counter protesters. Heck he mentioned that the counter protesters were there for the right reasons.

Oh, and some of the "free speech" guys were armed. He mentioned some had protective vests and at least one gun was confiscated.

One wonders who wanted the violence.

[The Rube]

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Ten years from now all the confederate statues will be gone in the free states except the ones on battlefields that memorialize the fallen. In a few places like Portland or Cambridge slave-owners' statues will probably removed in the same way that, say, Yale renamed a building named after a slaveholder, but that won't catch on nationally because Washington and Jefferson were slave-owners and we're keeping them.

In the slave states, very little will change. The GOP will use this as a way to milk votes from the hicks just like they did with gay marriage and trans bathrooms. It's their same old strategy of appealing to fear and bigotry to screen an agenda that calls for cutting the taxes of the rich and rolling back worker and consumer protections. This will allow a lot of dingbats in a lot of dingbat districts to tub thump and raise money.

You don't have to answer this if you don't want, and there is no hidden agenda here, but keeping Washington/Jefferson, is that due to their relevance in American history, do you think (in terms of the general populace's thoughts, not you personally)?

For me, once that ball is rolling, and it's rolling and it sucks...I don't think we can pick and choose. Once something is set, it's set. Unfortunately, the Confed monuments became more about racism/slavery than being a traitor. To keep.........credibility, for lack of a better term....if racism/slavery is the base requirement for removal of a monument/statue....we're in for some long times ahead.

I appreciate everyone's input, it's good to hear from all sides of the debate. Thank you.

[The Rube]

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BTW, saw on the Tweeter machine, and made me laugh:

Why tear down statues? Just change all the plaques to read: "Get a load of this dumb, dead a*hole and his bullsh* horse."

[Drew S.]

LOL- the police commissioner is pointing out that the only violence was when they (the police) escorted the "free speech" ralliers out of the Boston Common.

Sure doesn't sound like the police were that upset with the counter protesters. Heck he mentioned that the counter protesters were there for the right reasons.

Oh, and some of the "free speech" guys were armed. He mentioned some had protective vests and at least one gun was confiscated.

One wonders who wanted the violence.

What else is he going to say? He'd be burned at the stake if he said anything negative about the alt-left. Part of it was taking the alt-right crowd out, but a lot of it too me looked like alt-left looking to have a confrontation with the police.

The rally reinforced my views on what is happening. You basically have three groups; people who strictly oppose nazis and are there for the right reason, alt-right, and alt-left. The first group are wonderful people who we are lucky to have in this country. The latter two should be denounced by everyone else who isn't part of them.

[The Rube]

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What else is he going to say? He'd be burned at the stake if he said anything negative about the alt-left. Part of it was taking the alt-right crowd out, but a lot of it too me looked like alt-left looking to have a confrontation with the police.

The rally reinforced my views on what is happening. You basically have three groups; people who strictly oppose nazis and are there for the right reason, alt-right, and alt-left. The first group are wonderful people who we are lucky to have in this country. The latter two should be denounced by everyone else who isn't part of them.

Peacefully denounce, I might add. Granted, the alt-right are more apt to start sh*, but the alt-left aren't angels, either.

[burd]

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What else is he going to say? He'd be burned at the stake if he said anything negative about the alt-left. Part of it was taking the alt-right crowd out, but a lot of it too me looked like alt-left looking to have a confrontation with the police.

The rally reinforced my views on what is happening. You basically have three groups; people who strictly oppose nazis and are there for the right reason, alt-right, and alt-left. The first group are wonderful people who we are lucky to have in this country. The latter two should be denounced by everyone else who isn't part of them.

Too bad this is not a teaching medical facility. We could all gather around and take notes on classic symptoms of confirmation bias from a patient who is a near goner.

[Jimjamesak]

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*ahem* THERE IS NO ALT LEFT.

[alfablue]

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What else is he going to say? He'd be burned at the stake if he said anything negative about the alt-left. Part of it was taking the alt-right crowd out, but a lot of it too me looked like alt-left looking to have a confrontation with the police.

The rally reinforced my views on what is happening. You basically have three groups; people who strictly oppose nazis and are there for the right reason, alt-right, and alt-left. The first group are wonderful people who we are lucky to have in this country. The latter two should be denounced by everyone else who isn't part of them.

He should not have called the counter protesters "anti-police agitators". They were not that, by a HUGE margin.

And since that was the first quote- that's what he meant. I totally don't buy his denouncement of the hate groups. We are way beyond the BS- he want's their support.

[The Rube]

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*ahem* THERE IS NO ALT LEFT.

I honestly dunno what to call them. Extremist left? Ones who are looking to (probably) violently oppose the alt-right? The ones that are NOT using common sense to oppose the alt-right? If there's a different general media-friendly label (like alt-left), I'll gladly call them that.

[burd]

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I honestly dunno what to call them. Extremist left? Ones who are looking to (probably) violently oppose the alt-right? The ones that are NOT using common sense to oppose the alt-right? If there's a different general media-friendly label (like alt-left), I'll gladly call them that.

I may be mistaken, but weren't the alt-right defined mostly by their positions on social and foreign policy issues? What beliefs do you attribute to those you would call alt-left?

edit: Since I have only a vague understanding, I'll play first.

Alt-right: Climate denying, wall building, muslim excluding, gay bashing, evolution denying, bible toting, infowars watching, protectionist, bomb-them-or-ignore-them-but-don't-negotiate-with-them white male wearing a sleeveless t.