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  • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

    Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    I absolutely agree they have a right to speak their minds, they can go ahead. If they put any action to those words, they're getting punched in the face.
    And there is the big difference. If there is an action, the consequences change. I am on board with that. I won't defend action. I will just defend their right to speech.
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      There are some speech acts that are threats. But the issue is there are foreign domestic terrorist groups and a mechanism for dealing with them, but there is no analagous category and mechanism for domestic terrorist groups. Groups like the Klan and the Nazis are deserving of that category -- they mean what they say, and they are anti-democratic and in favor of the overthrow of republican government. There are certain speech acts which, in context, are assault.
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      • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

        Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
        I absolutely agree they have a right to speak their minds, they can go ahead. If they put any action to those words, they're getting punched in the face.
        Where does "action" cross the line, and does that line change depending on the offensive views of the actor?

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        • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          There are some speech acts that are threats. But the issue is there are foreign domestic terrorist groups and a mechanism, but there is no specific mechanism for domestic terrorist groups. Groups like the Klan and the Nazis are probably deserving of that category. There are certain speech acts which, in context, are assault.
          What do you mean by "speech acts," Kep?

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          • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

            Originally posted by burd View Post
            What do you mean by "speech acts," Kep?
            The difference between "I wish you would die" and "I'm going to come to your town and kill you."
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            • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              The difference between "I wish you would die" and "I'm going to come to your town and kill you."
              OK. Which would fit the legal definition of assault.

              A different hypothetical. How about a group of muslims handing out flyers in Brooklyn advocating success of ISIS in killing U.S. soldiers in Syria? Should they be prohibited from doing it, physically opposed, allowed to continue exercising their speech?
              Last edited by burd; 08-19-2017, 07:57 PM.

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              • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                Originally posted by burd
                Where does "action" cross the line, and does that line change depending on the offensive views of the actor?
                As I understand it, action includes performing harmful actions, or inciting harmful actions in a direct manner.

                Simply chanting "We hate Jews" is protected, for example. Burning crosses, directly saying "I will harm [minority]" is not protected.

                Recently a senator from MO was quoted as "I hope Trump is assassinated." Not a crime. It was not a direct threat to the president, nor did she say SHE was going to assassinate the president.
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                • Originally posted by burd View Post
                  Where does "action" cross the line, and does that line change depending on the offensive views of the actor?
                  Advocate the belief that you are superior based on the color of your skin and that all other people should be subjugated based on that.

                  Basically anything that resembles "I am a white supremacist." It's a clean and simple line really.
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                  • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                    Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                    Advocate the belief that you are superior based on the color of your skin and that all other people should be subjugated based on that.

                    Basically anything that resembles "I am a white supremacist." It's a clean and simple line really.
                    Nope. You can spout off that belief all you want. I don't agree with it, but you can say it.
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                    • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                      Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                      Nope. You can spout off that belief all you want. I don't agree with it, but you can say it.
                      The mere expression of that thought is a threat. You can say it, but there will be consequences.
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                      Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                      But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                      Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                      Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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                      • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                        Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                        Advocate the belief that you are superior based on the color of your skin and that all other people should be subjugated based on that.

                        Basically anything that resembles "I am a white supremacist." It's a clean and simple line really.
                        It's not clean and simple at all, unless this is limited to skin color only and not gender, ethnicity, or religion, to name a few.

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                        • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                          Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                          The mere expression of that thought is a threat. You can say it, but there will be consequences.
                          Yes, legally you can counter that thought/speech with non-violent actions. Consequences does not equal violence all the time.
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                          • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                            Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                            The mere expression of that thought is a threat. You can say it, but there will be consequences.
                            The mere expression of that thought is not as much a threat as the notion that government could suppress it.

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                            • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                              Originally posted by burd View Post
                              The mere expression of that thought is not as much a threat as the notion that government could suppress it.
                              Correct.
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                              • Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                                Originally posted by burd View Post
                                The mere expression of that thought is not as much a threat as the notion that government could suppress it.
                                I'm not talking government suppressing it. I'm talking about people suppressing it.
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                                Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                                But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                                Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                                Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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