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  • #631
    Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

    Originally posted by alfablue View Post
    Do you really think Neo-Nazis/Facists are really far right? They want national socialism. Not really right.
    National socialism is absolutely a right-wing ideology. The plutes combine with reactionary forces that want to control women, enforce conservative sexual prejudices, suppress intellectuals, wage war, and oppress religious and racial minorities. All of these are rightwing extremist aims.

    Don't let the term "socialism" fool you. It's as fitting as the DPRK using the term "democratic."
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    • #632
      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      National socialism is absolutely a right-wing ideology. The plutes combine with reactionary forces that want to control women, enforce conservative sexual prejudices, suppress intellectuals, wage war, and oppress religious and racial minorities. All of these are rightwing extremist aims.

      Don't let the term "socialism" fool you. It's as fitting as the DPRK using the term "democratic."
      Except that it can mean state take over of business they want to control.

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      • #633
        Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

        Originally posted by alfablue View Post
        Except that it can mean state take over of business they want to control.
        But business elites control the government so it's just another scam to transfer public wealth to the well connected. A.k.a., the right.
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        • #634
          Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          But business elites control the government so it's just another scam to transfer public wealth to the well connected. A.k.a., the right.
          Fair enough.

          But there should still be a point of questioning the need to balance the morons. Really- who would not oppose white supremacists? Has anyone here spoken positively about these idiots?

          So why do we need to have an opposite oppose them? All of us should be.

          Is there a communist movement? Maybe, but they are not the ones out demonstrating. Or is there an anarchist group? Sure- we've seen them at G8 conferences.

          Still- why do we assume that THEY are the ones counter protesting the racists? Based on the response- it's should be a lot of democrats and republicans out there with a robust opposition to fascism/white supremacy/etc.

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          • #635
            Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

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            • #636
              Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

              Originally posted by alfablue View Post
              So why do we need to have an opposite oppose them? All of us should be.
              The opposite of A, rightwing wackjobs isn't B, leftwing wackjobs.

              The opposite of A, rightwing wackjobs is Not A, everyone else who isn't a rightwing wackjob.
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              • #637
                Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                Is there a communist movement? Maybe, but they are not the ones out demonstrating. Or is there an anarchist group? Sure- we've seen them at G8 conferences.

                Still- why do we assume that THEY are the ones counter protesting the racists? Based on the response- it's should be a lot of democrats and republicans out there with a robust opposition to fascism/white supremacy/etc.
                Communists are leftwing wackjobs but they don't want to kill non-Communists. Anarchists aren't left or right, they're their own thing. And while some are violent, others aren't. "Smash the State" doesn't imply "Smash your face."

                The Klan and Neo-Nazis are by definition violent. Violence and murder are essential characteristics of their ideology.
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                • #638
                  Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  The opposite of A, rightwing wackjobs isn't B, leftwing wackjobs.

                  The opposite of A, rightwing wackjobs is Not A, everyone else who isn't a rightwing wackjob.
                  As with a few other posters, I just don't see the need or desire to have an "alt-left" who is in opposition to this "alt-right". If you are really not a racists, you, too, are in opposition to these morons. I don't know anyone who is for fascism, so all are antifa, too.

                  Some people are more willing to engage in violence than others. That's just part of being a human. So some of the non-alt-right are willing to fight them directly. Big deal.

                  There are far more than enough Republican who came out and more than denounced those guys to see that this is a very bi-partisan issue. Unless, of course, you actually agree with them.

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                  • #639
                    Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                    I don't know anyone who is not an antifa, since they are anti-fascists.
                    Everyone is anti-fascism, yes (every sane person). Capital-A Antifa is an actual organized group using that label as a cover for promoting violence, murder, and destruction of property to enforce pretended "progressive" ideals. Look up the Berkeley riots, a guy named Bernstein, and the cop murders. These are not people a normal anti-fascist would want to identify with, any more than your average socialist is a Nazi. They're scum.
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                    • #640
                      Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                      Since Henry Ford was a rabid anti Semite, should Ford Motor Company be shut down?
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                      • #641
                        Originally posted by joecct View Post
                        Since Henry Ford was a rabid anti Semite, should Ford Motor Company be shut down?
                        Sure. They suck anyway.
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                        • #642
                          Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          Since Henry Ford was a rabid anti Semite, should Ford Motor Company be shut down?
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                          • #643
                            Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                            Jeff Bezos once farted in church. We should probably tear down Amazon too. Right Joe?
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                            • #644
                              Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                              Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                              Fair enough. Dunno if you read back, but others didn't want to label the "alt-left" as such, and I had asked what to call them; so from this point on I will simply refer to them (and the alt-right) as "left" and "right."
                              The alt-right is the name they gave themselves and is appropriate to use. Alt-left is a term devised by the alt-right to make the left sound just as bad as the alt-right, since people have now realized they are human garbage, and is not appropriate to use. You might as well just ask a random nazi walking the streets what they would use, and when they say to call the left "leftist kikes" roll with it.

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                              • #645
                                Re: POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

                                Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                                The alt-right is the name they gave themselves and is appropriate to use. Alt-left is a term devised by the alt-right to make the left sound just as bad as the alt-right, since people have now realized they are human garbage, and is not appropriate to use. You might as well just ask a random nazi walking the streets what they would use, and when they say to call the left "leftist kikes" roll with it.
                                There are those on the left that are using proper channels to oppose the right. That is fine and dandy. Then there are those extremists willing to do whatever to take down the right. That latter part...not cool. Just like the alt-right. That's where I'm coming from.
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