POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

[FlagDUDE08]

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It's called a history book dip ****

We don't need monuments to the traitors.

Also, ever hear of the Bolsheviks?

[alfablue]

they got their man in the White House.

Missed that part of his post

Funny that people are so up in arms that Islamic terroism is going to take this country over, but these guys, who have a lot more supporters in this country, are not.

Go figure.

[FlagDUDE08]

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The plot thickens... https://www.infowars.com/breathtakin...esville-rally/

[SJHovey]

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they got their man in the White House.

The fact that this group of tiki torch bearing clowns voted for the same person for President that nearly half the other voters did does not mean they are taking control of the country. I'm sure there are serial killers, drunk college students and stoners who voted for Trump as well. That doesn't mean we have to fear those groups seizing control over the country.

Trump should have disavowed their actions. Any sane politician would have. I'm sure that if Clinton were elected and some idiot shot up a school wearing a Clinton/Kane t-shirt, she would have quickly disavowed any association with him and condemned his actions. That's what Trump should have done.

The reason he didn't is because he's Trump. If you stand on a street corner and shout that Trump is the greatest President in history, you could probably blow up the Capitol building and he'd hesitate to condemn you. If you think he's great, he's never going to say a bad word about you because he thinks that reflects poorly on him.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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The overwhelming majority of citizens in this country would never even think about participating in that debacle in Virginia this past weekend. Two thousand knuckleheads, or however many were there, are not going to take over this country.

63,000,000 > 2,000. That 63,000,000 people could vote for a walking, talking example of underware skidmarks kinda tells me that we have a little more to worry about than 2000 knuckleheads. And it doesn't even take 63,000,000,000 to topple a country. A few thousand -- hell maybe a few hundred -- in the wrong places at the right times might do it.

There can be no equivocation on the condemnation of either trump or the white supremacists. As long as there is one left to breathe or think, the rest of us who DON'T share those views better be speaking out very loudly, shouting in fact, from the highest mountaintops warning good people everywhere that this kind of hatred and cancer is in our midst.

[Rover]

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Do not EVER lump me in with neo-Nazi apologists. I will defend their right to peaceful free speech, and that's it. Period. I am quite bothered by your label, and take great offense.

Brent, too bad. Me thinks you protest too much. You've gone beyond false equivalency and into outright advocacy. That may not have been your intention, but you need to examine that, not me. I don't know you personally of course, but your on-line persona out here is one of sympathy and making excuses for some of the worst people this nation has to offer. Why you take pleasure in doing that is again only something you (as well as Drew, Sic, etc) can answer.

Moving on, the point that these people aren't taking over is stupid. Poll after poll shows most Republicans are supportive of Trump's actions here, and I'll bet they're supportive of the white supremacists as well although probably wouldn't admit that in a poll. Its high time for people to give up any doubt on this issue. Almost all GOP voters are either 1) white supremacists, or 2) are willing to tolerate white supremacists no questions asked as long as it helps them achieve their own policy goals. How many more people have to be shot in churches or run over while protesting before this is clear?

[Handyman]

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Um, I am of the belief that the statues were simply about racism, and many on here said that was mostly wrong. That the statues were about the Confederacy and being a traitor.

They are about both. That is the beautiful thing about the real world things have multiple meanings. These are racist icons and are symbols of a bunch of traitors. (many of whom where...wait for it...RACISTS!!) This isnt rocket science.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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America’s horrible president

[aparch]

Moving on, the point that these people aren't taking over is stupid. Poll after poll shows most Republicans are supportive of Trump's actions here, and I'll bet they're supportive of the white supremacists as well although probably wouldn't admit that in a poll. Its high time for people to give up any doubt on this issue. Almost all GOP voters are either 1) white supremacists, or 2) are willing to tolerate white supremacists no questions asked as long as it helps them achieve their own policy goals.

Yes, this. The DNC needs to be pushing this, pushing it hard. The Republican Party is sympathetic to the Nazi-esque ideals. There are Nazi flag waving people that Trump has called "very fine people."

Every D candidate needs to jump aboard this campaign. "Who do you support, the American flag and Democrats or the Nazi flag and Republicans?"


Worst case, everyone is 100% sure about where the Republican party lies after 2018.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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trump is a number of things: Racist. Mentally ill. Pathological liar. Stupid. The last one is what worries me most.

While tepid, more and more republicans are finding reasons to speak out against him and even occasionally condemn his words. But since trump is stupid, he doubles down on the stupid things. This will lead to more republicans feeling safe enough to condemn him. And Robert Mueller has not abandoned his investigation. The walls are probably closing in on trump. And that's where his stupidity worries me most.

If the time comes where it is no longer tenable for him to remain in office, does anyone think he is going to go easily? One would hope that somewhere deep inside, enough people in enough positions of power will be able to do what is best for our constitution. The jury is still out on that though. But if trump is forced to leave, before he goes, I could see him doing something incredibly stupid, like urging his mouth breathing supporters to take up arms to protect his seat in the Oval Office. In fact I am convinced that would happen. And while no match for a military that would be called into action by those left in charge, the damage they would do would be unlike anything we've seen in this country since the Civil War.

trump is stupid. Stupid enough to try this. It would be nice if enough of those so-called patriotic republicans in D.C. right now would find a way to get rid of trump before those who would take up arms to protect him from ouster get any more organized.

[Drew S.]

Brent, too bad. Me thinks you protest too much. You've gone beyond false equivalency and into outright advocacy. That may not have been your intention, but you need to examine that, not me. I don't know you personally of course, but your on-line persona out here is one of sympathy and making excuses for some of the worst people this nation has to offer. Why you take pleasure in doing that is again only something you (as well as Drew, Sic, etc) can answer.

Moving on, the point that these people aren't taking over is stupid. Poll after poll shows most Republicans are supportive of Trump's actions here, and I'll bet they're supportive of the white supremacists as well although probably wouldn't admit that in a poll. Its high time for people to give up any doubt on this issue. Almost all GOP voters are either 1) white supremacists, or 2) are willing to tolerate white supremacists no questions asked as long as it helps them achieve their own policy goals. How many more people have to be shot in churches or run over while protesting before this is clear?

I don't understand how if you dislike extremists on both sides that means you align with those on the right. I'd add that by saying you don't care for either it's not the same as saying they are both equal in any way. That's something those on the left are making up.

[French Rage]

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trump is a number of things: Racist. Mentally ill. Pathological liar. Stupid.

"...but he is NOT a porn star."

[Rover]

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I don't understand how if you dislike extremists on both sides that means you align with those on the right. I'd add that by saying you don't care for either it's not the same as saying they are both equal in any way. That's something those on the left are making up.

I'll play along. In the wake of the Charlottesville incident, where a white supremacist ran over a peaceful protestor (there's no evidence the woman is question was doing anything violent in any way), coming out and saying you denounce extremism on both sides give cover to the white supremacists. That somehow a left winger committed an equal act of violence, so everybody's bad. That's why you and Trump and anybody else taking this position is getting blasted although I don't recall you saying there are good people too on both sides, implying that there are good neo-Nazis something I never thought I'd hear a President say in my lifetime.

You'd get the same reaction in the wake of the Dylan Root mass murder, where if you said "yeah I denounce that as well as any black on black violence in Chicago". Pairing that together = giving cover to the criminal in that particular incident.

[St. Clown]

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But I was told it was about the Confederacy, and racism was a minute factor in the statues?

What do Neo Nazis care about the Confederacy...I will hang up and listen.

You can try and dress it up however you like...the facts dont support your thesis man.

No, racism was definetly alive and well in 1916. Pretty sure this was a "gentle" reminder to any "darkies" traveling through Montana that a large group of "good ole boys" lived in the area.

And don't forget Oregon (territory from 1848 to 1859, statehood after) was a racist utopia while going under the guise of a "free state" during the Civil War.




Also, when the 15th Amendment (prohibits the federal and state governments from denying a citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's "race, color, or previous condition of servitude") was ratified in 1870, Oregon, along with seven other states refused to approve of the amendment. It passed (obviously) without their approval. But Oregon finally caved to formally ratifying the amendment in... 1959.
(It wasn't the last hold out from officially recognizing black men as equals; that would go to: California 1962,
Maryland 1973, Kentucky 1976, and Tennessee 1997. )





And if through all this, you still think the Daughters of the Confederacy is a cutesy way of honoring the families of the Confederate soldiers, holy fu**, you couldn't be more wrong.

Please tell me that the two of you were able to read the sarcasm just dripping from Brent's post. Please.

[Rover]

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Yes, this. The DNC needs to be pushing this, pushing it hard. The Republican Party is sympathetic to the Nazi-esque ideals. There are Nazi flag waving people that Trump has called "very fine people."

Every D candidate needs to jump aboard this campaign. "Who do you support, the American flag and Democrats or the Nazi flag and Republicans?"


Worst case, everyone is 100% sure about where the Republican party lies after 2018.

Obviously its not worth the cost of the woman losing her life, but at the very least all of this is being exposed. The people at this rally have no qualms about being identified. In fact if you see their comments they're proud of it. The Republican party clearly stands with them as do its voters. Instead of putting out tweets or other such nonsense, either Itch McConnell or Weasel Paul Ryan could go to Charlottesville, stand on the steps of the court house or wherever, and that not only does the Republican party not want the votes or support of these people, but that they are launching a Congressional investigation into the proliferation of them much like how the Senate held hearing on the Mafia back in the 50's.

In case anybody hasn't noticed, no Republicans that I'm aware of are actually trying to do anything with any teeth in it to oppose these hate groups. When you have the Prez giving them cover (what the F is the "alt-left") and mere platitudes out of the leader of the House and Senate, why wouldn't these nuts take encouragement from that? If I were David Duke, I'd be ginning up another run for office right now.