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  • Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

    Originally posted by MaizeRage View Post
    Out of curiosity, what would the consequences be? College hockey(even MN high school hockey) works outside of USA Hockey, which is more centralized like you want, and there don't seem to be any major consequences.
    The other thing is hockey is pay to play, and that doesn't seem to hurt our competitiveness.
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    • Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

      https://i.imgur.com/05Fxuis.png.

      Here's the biggest problem right now, the US had 5 players aged 25-29 on the roster. An entire generation of players failed to materialize and it ultimately cost us a World Cup.
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      Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
      But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
      Originally posted by Doyle Woody
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      • Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

        Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
        I used to say "playing regular minutes in MLS is better than not playing at all at Bayern/Roma/Wherever". Now I'm not so sure.

        Maybe that's only true for players who still need to develop with game time, and not nearly as true for guys who are already developed, in their mid-to-late 20s, and need the competition of a high end team's training?
        I think that's pretty accurate though I don't think this team necessarily does enough with the talent it has either. And while I don't know a ton about US soccer or soccer in general (haven't followed it for a while) I will say that there being curious roster decisions in terms of game day decisions and roster assembly doesn't shock me.

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        • Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
          https://i.imgur.com/05Fxuis.png.

          Here's the biggest problem right now, the US had 5 players aged 25-29 on the roster. An entire generation of players failed to materialize and it ultimately cost us a World Cup.
          Is it the players didn't materialize, or the boys club locked them out by sticking with the old guard past their prime?

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          • Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

            Who is Sunil Gulati's boss? A board?

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            • Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
              The biggest consequence would be players being ineligible for anything FIFA, potentially permanently. And that would be what I'd push for, play college soccer and you're permanently ineligible for everything, no National Teams, no pro soccer. It's a drastic step but soccer in this country needs them.
              The women would emphatically disagree.
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              • Originally posted by joecct View Post
                The women would emphatically disagree.
                The Women aren't facing the same problems (yet) because the rest of the world only started caring about Women's soccer 5 years ago. The seeds have already been planted and have started growing for their demise, look at the Olympics, they've relied wholly on raw athleticism to win for decades and faced with the task of breaking down well organized, tactically competent team they failed miserably. Don't look know but the Dutch just won the Women's Euros and England and France just demolished us at home in friendlies. The Women's game definitely has the same problems but it's being masked by indifference.
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                Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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                • Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

                  Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                  The biggest consequence would be players being ineligible for anything FIFA, potentially permanently. And that would be what I'd push for, play college soccer and you're permanently ineligible for everything, no National Teams, no pro soccer. It's a drastic step but soccer in this country needs them.
                  Does the U.S have that many 18 year old kids who choose college over going pro that would have even been close to making this team?

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                  • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                    Is it the players didn't materialize, or the boys club locked them out by sticking with the old guard past their prime?
                    Didn't materialize, remember this was a generation of players that missed two Olympics, a U-20, and U-17 World Cup. A major reason why players like Bradley stuck around was because there was nobody good enough to replace them. Think of notable players right now between 25-29 that could replace guys like Bradley.
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                    Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                    But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                    Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                    Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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                    • Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

                      Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                      The Women aren't facing the same problems (yet) because the rest of the world only started caring about Women's soccer 5 years ago. The seeds have already been planted and have started growing for their demise, look at the Olympics, they've relied wholly on raw athleticism to win for decades and faced with the task of breaking down well organized, tactically competent team they failed miserably. Don't look know but the Dutch just won the Women's Euros and England and France just demolished us at home in friendlies. The Women's game definitely has the same problems but it's being masked by indifference.
                      The problem is fundamentally the same from a development standpoint on both sides of the ball. There is no skill development at younger ages. They aren't taught to see teammates and how to use them. Because of that, players don't see passes/runs until it's too late. On the Men's side, compare Bradley to Pulisic. That's a basic comparison of development styles.

                      That same bird is coming home to roost on the Women's side of things and Europe will be running us over in short order. It all comes back to development at 14/15 and younger.
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                      • Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

                        Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
                        Does the U.S have that many 18 year old kids who choose college over going pro that would have even been close to making this team?
                        NCAA does not develop players at all... If you want to make it on the National team, you need to be playing in Europe as a teen/early 20's, not in the NCAA.
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                        • Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
                          Does the U.S have that many 18 year old kids who choose college over going pro that would have even been close to making this team?
                          No, that's not the issue. The issue is the youth system right now is designed as a college scholarship factory. Nearly everything, outside of a few clubs in the DA system, is designed to produce kids for college soccer NOT professional soccer. Why? Because Women's professional soccer is non-existent and our soccer culture disrespects our National league on the Men's side.
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                          Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                          But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                          Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                          Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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                          • Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
                            NCAA does not develop players at all... If you want to make it on the National team, you need to be playing in Europe as a teen/early 20's, not in the NCAA.
                            This. THIS! right here is part of the problem. A kid in their teens/early 20s can be playing in MLS and be absolutely in great shape for the future. It's this disrespect FOR OUR OWN *ING LEAGUE that's part of the problem. So long as folks are willing to wake up at the crack of dawn to watch EPL but can't be bothered to watch an MLS game in the afternoon the game is this country will go nowhere, because every dime the TV networks give to the EPL and Bundesliga is a dime NOT going to soccer in the US.
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                            Originally posted by UAFIceAngel
                            But let's be real...There are 40 some other teams and only two alaskan teams...the day one of us wins something big will be the day I transfer to UAA
                            Originally posted by Doyle Woody
                            Best sign by a visting Seawolf fan Friday went to a young man who held up a piece of white poster board that read: "YOU CAN'T SPELL FAILURE WITHOUT UAF."

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                            • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                              Is it the players didn't materialize, or the boys club locked them out by sticking with the old guard past their prime?
                              Why not both? JJAK is right on with the dearth of talent, but also…

                              There are some excellent players in Germany right now that barely saw call ups in the Hex. Sure, Johansson and Brooks were injured, but why are we leaving Fabian Johnson out? Tim Chandler?
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                              • Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

                                Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
                                NCAA does not develop players at all... If you want to make it on the National team, you need to be playing in Europe as a teen/early 20's, not in the NCAA.
                                It sounds like college soccer is where college hockey was in 1965. Is there a systemic reason to doubt that 20-30 years down the line college soccer won't rival European development in the way college hockey came to rival the Major Juniors?

                                What drove the improvement of college hockey and how can we do the same with college soccer?
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