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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    DC United does have youth teams down to U-11. In fact one of the players is Barron Trump. So does every other MLS team.

    Joe, this is not specifically to you but does include you, do some simple research before commenting.
    We also have Montgomery Soccer Inc, Olney Boys and Girls Club and who knows what else fielding youth soccer in Montgomery County, MD. My grandson plays in a rec league and every one on his team is one footed when kicking the ball. I've seen no attempt to teach the kids to use the other (left) foot. It's horde soccer out there. They're not learning skills. If that is a typical U10 team in our county, that is not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    It seems you all are describing the symptoms, not the illness. The illness is that soccer simply isn't as popular in the US as several other sports. Building up the system you are dreaming of might just be possible until there is big money in soccer in the US.
    Again, simple research. There is big money in soccer already, the USSF has a $100 million surplus. Yeah it's not NFL level of big money but there's still plenty pie to go around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    There is two major differences in the interaction between the USSF and the NCAA versus other sports: 1. The USSF doesn't need the NCAA like say USA Track & Field. 2. The USSF threatening to disqualify all NCAA players from Professional and International soccer actually carries weight.

    The USSF, as the defined NGB for soccer under the Ted Stevens Olympic and Amateur Sports Act (and confirmed by the courts in ChampionsWorld vs. USSF), has the power to regulate amateur soccer in the US. The NCAA considers themselves, and their soccer, amateur. Therefore the USSF has the power to say to the NCAA "conform to our regulations or face the consequences." And the USSF has the financial muscle to back it up.
    As long as a large majority of players will benefit more from trying to get a scholarship than any other path, that will continue to be the preferable path. Disqualifying most people from professional play is completely pointless because it will never impact them. USSF would be better served to try to work with the current system rather than fight it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    We also have Montgomery Soccer Inc, Olney Boys and Girls Club and who knows what else fielding youth soccer in Montgomery County, MD. My grandson plays in a rec league and every one on his team is one footed when kicking the ball. I've seen no attempt to teach the kids to use the other (left) foot. It's horde soccer out there. They're not learning skills. If that is a typical U10 team in our county, that is not good.
    Now you know why are players technical ability are crap. What you described is fairly typical of nearly every U-10 club. Clubs don't care as long as the check clears, parents don't care as long their kids are out of their hands for an hour.

    In fairness, any of the DA clubs, and especially the MLS clubs academy set ups, are definitely not like that. The DA is a good setup, it's just a matter of setting that up nationwide and making it cheap to parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    Now you know why are players technical ability are crap. What you described is fairly typical of nearly every U-10 club. Clubs don't care as long as the check clears, parents don't care as long their kids are out of their hands for an hour.

    In fairness, any of the DA clubs, and especially the MLS clubs academy set ups, are definitely not like that. The DA is a good setup, it's just a matter of setting that up nationwide and making it cheap to parents.
    The operative word is cheap. I know what travel hockey costs & I would imagine elite soccer is comparable.

    Hockey is the same. We have great cone skaters but lousy hockey players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    As long as a large majority of players will benefit more from trying to get a scholarship than any other path, that will continue to be the preferable path. Disqualifying most people from professional play is completely pointless because it will never impact them. USSF would be better served to try to work with the current system rather than fight it.
    Except working with the current system has caused us to miss the World Cup. And two Olympics. And a U-20 World Cup. And a U-17 World Cup. So yeah, I'd say that idea can rightly go **** itself. College soccer is a major part of the problem right now and they can play ball or be written out of any piece of the money pie permanently. Wanna be a soccer coach in this country? Don't play NCAA. Wanna play on a high level amateur team? Don't play NCAA. Remember, college soccer doesn't just recruit Americans either, good luck trying to recruit kids now. UNC and the like love bragging about all those alums winning World Cups and Gold Medals, yeah no more of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    Again, simple research. There is big money in soccer already, the USSF has a $100 million surplus. Yeah it's not NFL level of big money but there's still plenty pie to go around.
    $100M is not big money as far a major US sport is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    $100M is not big money as far a major US sport is concerned.
    That's just surplus, that's not including income being wasted on executives and useless coaches. And be mindful that we're likely to host a World Cup in 2026. The USSF still has funds from 1994. There's money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    That's just surplus, that's not including income being wasted on executives and useless coaches. And be mindful that we're likely to host a World Cup in 2026. The USSF still has funds from 1994. There's money.
    Thats $2M per state if you want to invest in something across the country. What does that get you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    Thats $2M per state if you want to invest in something across the country. What does that get you?
    It's 55 technically. California, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York are split states. And actually, I wouldn't use that surplus in all states. Places like Cal North and Cal South, Washington, Maryland, Ohio N and S, Texas N and S etc. are not hurting for infrastructure in comparison to states like Alaska or North Dakota or Wyoming. Two best uses are starting State level DA clubs in rural states like Alaska or Wyoming and building futsal courts in poorer neighborhoods in cities ala basketball courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    That would never happen, because college coaches want to get the best recruits, and to do that they have to sell how they'll be prepared for the NFL.
    This isn't necessarily true though. Look at Tim Tebow for instance, he was used as an option QB who passed the ball on limited occasions and had basically no chance in the NFL because he's no longer far and away the strongest guy on the field. Obviously that's an anecdote but the point is coaches are far and away more concerned with playing to win so they can keep their job even if they resort to gimmicks that hinder development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Jim, can you explain more? I'm not quite sure what you are saying. Is it that Mr. and Mrs. Choate block poor kids from competing with little Erik and Erika so we wind up with a soccer system filled with Dartmouth and Duke upper class twits of the year?

    In short, is it lacrosse?
    Yes, here's a graph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    That would never happen, because college coaches want to get the best recruits, and to do that they have to sell how they'll be prepared for the NFL.

    It seems you all are describing the symptoms, not the illness. The illness is that soccer simply isn't as popular in the US as several other sports. Building up the system you are dreaming of might just be possible until there is big money in soccer in the US.
    The US has more soccer players than any other country on the planet. What you describe is not the issue at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    Very interesting. Thanks. I'd like to see the graph for hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    The illness is that soccer simply isn't as popular in the US as several other sports
    It's far more popular than hockey, where we pull our weight internationally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Very interesting. Thanks. I'd like to see the graph for hockey.
    That twitterer (twit? tweeter?) had a very dickish response to that very question.

    https://twitter.com/futbolintellect/status/918175168979075072

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    That twitterer (twit? tweeter?) had a very dickish response to that very question.

    https://twitter.com/futbolintellect/...75168979075072
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    It's far more popular than hockey, where we pull our weight internationally.
    Based on what? Paid attendance at the pro level? TV contracts based at least somewhat on the demand of the US population? How many kids play something won't impact the ability to build a development system. Money will.

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    Jimjamesak - what would be your timeline for a fix? Having something in place and fully working by Qatar seems a bit of a stretch so we're looking at 2026 and the full results by 2030??

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    The real fix is to go full cold war USSR. Identify young talent and take them from their homes. Put them in a government funded intensive training program. Provide school, housing, meals, etc.

    Each year re-evaluate players and send them home if they arent performing.

    Note, USSR may just have had them killed.

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