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    unbelievable. even the BBC .
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41574810

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    Did what Sportscenter just say is true, this was Trinidad's B team?

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    About the only positive takeaway from this whole cycle is that we need to uproot our development system and get rid of "pay to play"... Un-****ing-believeable
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    Ugh.
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    Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

    The US can still qualify if it wins the Electoral College, right?

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    I hate seeing people blame Garber and MLS. Honduras and Panama beat us with players largely from MLS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    I hate seeing people blame Garber and MLS. Honduras and Panama beat us with players largely from MLS.
    The problem is that people see MLS as the pinnacle of US Player Development... What people don't seem to realize is that the problem lies within the foundation that MLS is perched on... We have 300+ million people here. Why can we not find 20 guys to kick a ball? That is the problem.
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    Sure they may have been eliminated from the World Cup in the most embarrassing loss in the history of US Soccer, but all the players stood for the Anthem, which is all that matters.

    Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    The problem is that people see MLS as the pinnacle of US Player Development... What people don't seem to realize is that the problem lies within the foundation that MLS is perched on... We have 300+ million people here. Why can we not find 20 guys to kick a ball? That is the problem.
    Yeah this is 100% on the USSF. I think there's a lot of misplaced anger towards others like MLS when in reality a lot of the problems lie in the ****show of a youth system we have and our soccer culture in general. Here are my personal fixes:

    1. Kill the fiefdoms that litter US Soccer and centralize control. I'll give you a breakdown of organizations that are part of the USSF: AYSO, US Youth Soccer, US Club Soccer, MLS, NASL, USL, NWSL, NPSL, US Adult Soccer and that's not even counting the divisions at the State level with separate boards for Youth and Adult. Oh and don't forget the non-members like the NFHS and NCAA and their resultant fiefdoms at the Regional and National levels. You really want to fix **** in US Soccer? Have the USSF take an axe to all that, set up singular boards at the State level, and force people to work together.

    2. Use USSF money to subsidize the costs of the State level. This means reducing the amount of money folks have to spend on soccer. Sure, that Nike money could spent on the USWNT salaries of guaranteed roster spot players or it could be spent reducing costs for parents of players.

    3. Drop the hammer on college soccer. It's time for college soccer to get in line, either start playing by FIFA rules and extend the season be declared an outlaw league and deal with consequences.

    4. Allow clubs to collect solidarity payments but only if they charged less than a certain amount of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Sure they may have been eliminated from the World Cup in the most embarrassing loss in the history of US Soccer, but all the players stood for the Anthem, which is all that matters.

    Right?
    Lame

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    Re: World Soccer XXVIII: Campeones de NorteAmérica.

    I have asked this before but isn't it possible that our best athletes are simply playing other sports?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    I have asked this before but isn't it possible that our best athletes are simply playing other sports?
    We don't need the best athletes.

    The trademark of USMNT in the 21st century us been hard work, and this is the laziest, most disinterested USMNT we've ever seen.

    MLS isn't a problem (as others note: we've been beaten by teams with MLS talent in this cycle), it's the lack of any consequences for USMNT players on MLS rosters. No competition? No drive.

    Our best players right now (Pulisic, Wood, maybe Yedlin), they all have to work for their playing time at their clubs. And aside from Pulisic, they all have to work for their spots on the MNT.

    But for some reason, Wood has to worry about Chris ****ing Wondolowski poaching his minutes and Fabian Johnson is left home in favor of who-really-cares.

    Meanwhile, Michael Bradley farts his way through another lazy, zen 90 minutes of not-being-as-bad-as-I'm-saying-but-still-not-remarkable.

    I used to say "playing regular minutes in MLS is better than not playing at all at Bayern/Roma/Wherever". Now I'm not so sure.

    Maybe that's only true for players who still need to develop with game time, and not nearly as true for guys who are already developed, in their mid-to-late 20s, and need the competition of a high end team's training?
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    I say, lower your expectations for USA soccer. You'll be much happier when they fail the next time.

    Sure there are things they could do to help fix the problems. But they won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JF_Gophers View Post
    I say, lower your expectations for USA soccer. You'll be much happier when they fail the next time.

    Sure there are things they could do to help fix the problems. But they won't.
    I totally agree. Klinnsman tried to change it and failed miserably. No one is changing it.
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    Lowering expectations shouldn't mean missing world cup. We should not be missing the world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimjamesak View Post
    3. Drop the hammer on college soccer. It's time for college soccer to get in line, either start playing by FIFA rules and extend the season be declared an outlaw league and deal with consequences.
    Out of curiosity, what would the consequences be? College hockey(even MN high school hockey) works outside of USA Hockey, which is more centralized like you want, and there don't seem to be any major consequences.

    I do mostly agree with you though. Having coached both hockey and soccer at the youth levels, there was a big difference, and I think soccer would really benefit from taking an approach like hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaizeRage View Post
    Out of curiosity, what would the consequences be? College hockey(even MN high school hockey) works outside of USA Hockey, which is more centralized like you want, and there don't seem to be any major consequences.

    I do mostly agree with you though. Having coached both hockey and soccer at the youth levels, there was a big difference, and I think soccer would really benefit from taking an approach like hockey.
    The biggest consequence would be players being ineligible for anything FIFA, potentially permanently. And that would be what I'd push for, play college soccer and you're permanently ineligible for everything, no National Teams, no pro soccer. It's a drastic step but soccer in this country needs them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticapnews View Post
    Sure they may have been eliminated from the World Cup in the most embarrassing loss in the history of US Soccer, but all the players stood for the Anthem, which is all that matters.

    Right?
    Saw a tweet that this team did more to disrespect the flag than anyone who kneeled

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    I have asked this before but isn't it possible that our best athletes are simply playing other sports?
    Our best athletes don't really do track and field, hockey, or various other individual sports that have great American players. And they don't see results as embarrassing as this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manurespreader View Post
    I totally agree. Klinnsman tried to change it and failed miserably. No one is changing it.
    Klinsmann didn't change a *ing thing. He implemented nothing on a National level. A lot of the changes made during his tenure were already on the drawing board (the shift in age groups and the build out line for kids weren't his) or came from lawsuits (the rules on heading).

    And Klinsmann bears the brunt of this failure. It was his tenure that saw the US miss TWO Olympics, a U-20 World Cup, a U-17 World Cup, and left us the hole to try to dig out of. Arena certainly deserves a huge amount of blame for *ing the bed here, as do the players, but don't forget who put us in this position.

    Edit: missed a U-17 Cup.
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