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    Shoot first. Questions later.

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    No place else to put this so since cops are murdering black people all the time, why not here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    I don't think I blame the police here as much as the racist Starbucks employee that called in the first place...

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    Yeah, they could have let them leave without cuffs on. They wouldn't have cuffed you or me. Doesn't look like they were causing a scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Yeah, they could have let them leave without cuffs on. They wouldn't have cuffed you or me. Doesn't look like they were causing a scene.

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    No, we don't get the cops called on us. If we're being asked to leave private property and don't, we will likely be arrested too.

    They shouldn't have been asked to leave by Starbucks in the first place.

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    So wait, how long were they sitting there?

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    Going with MNS on this one.
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    The boycott needs to return as a weapon. When businesses face failing as a result of stupid racism like that of the people in the Philly Starbucks who called the cops in the first place, things change.

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    Both are at fault. The cops could have handled it way better especially since there were witnesses including a guy saying they were there to meet him. The employee should be fired and the cops should be forced to publicly apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Both are at fault. The cops could have handled it way better especially since there were witnesses including a guy saying they were there to meet him. The employee should be fired and the cops should be forced to publicly apologize.
    Agreed. The police have the option to correctly decide this is ridiculous and leave

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    Calls Grow to Boycott Starbucks After Two Black Men Arrested for Not Making Order. Good to see. When these businesses start to see revenue fall perhaps they will also begin to pressure elected officials to do what is necessary to ensure racial profiling comes to an end.

    Something else I want to know about this is how were the two men arrested being "unprofessional"? According to the top cop in Philly, the cops were professional in their dealings with the men they arrested and "got the opposite back." In the video I saw nothing of the sort. The video appears to show both the police and the two men behaving in a responsible, even tempered way. Why say what he said? Another thing I'd like to know is if the officers did anything to ascertain why the guys were there in the first place, from either the men they arrested or from anyone else. Or did they just come up to them and say "Starbucks told you to leave." While these officers hardly behaved in as bad a manner as we have seen repeatedly at other times, how about using a little judgment and discretion? Asking the right two or three questions may have averted all of this. You can't prove a negative but if I showed up there like I normally look in the middle of the day, middle aged white guy, dress shirt and tie, (and if I was with a colleague they'd also look that way most likely) my guess is nothing like this would have happened.
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    Letís back up for a minute here. If they were sitting there for an hour without ordering anything and it was busy, I kind of get asking them to order or leave. We did that at DQ back in high school.

    Regarding the cops, they have no choice but to arrest the men if they were trespassed by Starbucks and they refuse to leave. Starbucks can trespass anyone they want. I think this goes back to the Starbucks employees not handling this well. But again, Iím not sure we have all the details.

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    Letís back up for a minute here. If they were sitting there for an hour without ordering anything and it was busy while they were not ordering anything. I kind of get asking them to order or leave. We did that at DQ back in high school.

    Regarding the cops, they have no choice but to arrest the men if they were trespassed by Starbucks and they refuse to leave. Starbucks can trespass anyone they want. I think this goes back to the Starbucks employees not handling this well. But again, Iím not sure we have all the details.
    I probably agree with this if the guys were there for a long time. Starbucks has every right to expect tables to be used by paying customers. Were they there that long? I don't know if any story had details like that. I also still maintain that the cops -- while they are certainly required to enforce the law -- could most likely have made all of this go away by asking the right questions. I often sit in similar places like this waiting for people to show up for meetings without ordering. I have one every month at a Panara Bread restaurant. No one tells me to leave or order. I show up 15-30 minutes before anyone else and rarely if ever order anything. From the first time I showed up there no one said as much as one word to me about ordering or leaving. The last time we were there in fact, none of us ordered anything at all. We are all white and I am always dressed professionally. If I was black and showed up dressed casually in sweat pants and a hoodie and sat at a table without ordering anything for 20 minutes, I suspect the reception may occasionally be different

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    If they were there for like 15-20 minutes, then Starbucks blew it. If hey were there for an hour or more? Itís missing from the story.

    If Iím waiting, I always grab a coffee to show Iím a customer.

    You might be right about the last part. But again, I think some details are missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Yeah, they could have let them leave without cuffs on. They wouldn't have cuffed you or me. Doesn't look like they were causing a scene.

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    The Associated Press reports that Philadelphiaís police commissioner is defending his officersí decision to arrest the two men in Starbucks.

    Commissioner Richard Ross, who is black, said police asked the men to leave three times but they refused. They were arrested and released. Ross said his officers ďdid absolutely nothing wrong.Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveP View Post
    From the update in the Yahoo story
    Of course he's going to defend the officers. Top cops defend you guys when unarmed black men are shot and killed. There is absolutely less than zero chance they won't be defended when the guys arrested can walk out of jail under their own power. The officers probably made no effort to NOT arrest these guys other than to tell them to leave and hope they complied with what may have been an illegal request (you can't refuse to seat people for their race and we all know that is what really happened here). Right thinking employees would have said nothing and not placed a call. Cops who want to quit having people like me question their motives or performance need to learn how to use their people skills and that would have also prevented this ugly situation from becoming a national story. The only people who appear to have behaved correctly are the two who were arrested and some of the other customers who appeared to have stuck up for the men.

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    Of course he's going to defend the officers. Top cops defend you guys when unarmed black men are shot and killed. There is absolutely less than zero chance they won't be defended when the guys arrested can walk out of jail under their own power. The officers probably made no effort to NOT arrest these guys other than to tell them to leave and hope they complied with what may have been an illegal request (you can't refuse to seat people for their race and we all know that is what really happened here). Right thinking employees would have said nothing and not placed a call. Cops who want to quit having people like me question their motives or performance need to learn how to use their people skills and that would have also prevented this ugly situation from becoming a national story. The only people who appear to have behaved correctly are the two who were arrested and some of the other customers who appeared to have stuck up for the men.
    As the title says, "before you boycott Starbucks, You May Want to Read This."

    It is a thorough analysis of the situation from all sides by attorney Elura Nanos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveP View Post
    As the title says, "before you boycott Starbucks, You May Want to Read This."

    It is a thorough analysis of the situation from all sides by attorney Elura Nanos.

    There is something a little off with the claim "the manager complained to police about trespassers, the police arrived, the alleged trespassers were on the premises and refused to leave. Thatís enough to constitute probable cause. End of story. Letís leave the cops out of this one." If that were the case, all one would have to do to remove black patrons from their place of business is to call the cops and say they were trespassing. Well we all know that being black does not make one a trespasser. So the cops are required to do a little Q and A under these circumstances. A Q and A may very well have led them to believe that the men were trespassing in violation of acceptable standards and laws or ordinances. The cops certainly do not need to be "left out" of this one. The linked article sheds no more light on what actually happened than what the video shows us to begin with. What did the manager/employees say when the call was first placed to the police? What were the officers told when they arrived? What did the men they arrested tell them? All of that comes into play when making a decision on whether or not a standard of probable cause has been met to arrest someone.

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