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A bit sloppy tonight in the defensive end. Colgate could have scored a couple more if they hadn't missed some wide open net. Also, the team seemed a bit tired in the second half of the game; lost some of that jump that we have seen, and at the same time Colgate ramped it up a bit.
That said, nice to win on a night when we did not play as well.
Going forward we could do a bit better on face-offs; seem to have lost some key ones.
Crowd was small but noisy. Hopefully this year's improvement will bring back some fans as the season moves on.
Great to be 4-0!Go Cats
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For what it's worth, I absolutely take you at your word that this happened, AND it's against the guidebook ...
Originally posted by Dan View PostI'm not the least bit surprised that it appears to be minutiae to you. The stat crew's only job during the game is to get the stats right so its hardly minutiae even if you only care about the bottom line of the W. While many stat crews play the 'homer' and pump up a team's statistics, UNH's went back hours after the game to take assists away incorrectly. Its not the first time or I wouldn't have mentioned it to begin with. It happens often.
If Blackburn ends up playing this way the entire season, taking away legitimate points isn't going to help him win awards or generate media coverage. You know what helps sell recruits (especially for downtrodden programs desperately in need of selling points) - success (team and individual), awards (indications of development) and media attention. You know who pays attention to minutiae and doing the little things right - successful and winning programs and athletic departments.
I took a quick look at the numbers this morning and found that UNH ranked second to last in 2016-17 HE assists/goal and fared far worse at home than on the road. They're not only not helping their team/players but incorrectly hurting them. Perhaps in a way you don't care about, but still in a way that tangibly effects the program ...
Beyond that, I'm pretty sure that any scouts making assessments on these players aren't going to sweat it on whether the player had an assist docked after the fact.
The way you were going there, I was half-expecting you to conclude that such statistical thievery was going to destabilize the economy, burn a hole through the ozone layer, and melt the polar icecaps.
I think you know I'm with you 95% of the time when you/we rail against the amateur hour that parades as the AD's office in Durham. And I'm probably the last person on here who should be telling anyone not take things to silly, extreme conclusions 'cuz I've likely got the all-time board record for that (maybe the UNH SID is tracking that? ). But honestly, if we've come to the point where we're criticizing the stats guys on being stingy with the assists ... I mean, without looking it up, can you name the last 10 winners of the NCAA Men's D-1 Assists *title*? The last 5? The last 3?? Last season???
They're not only not helping their team/players but incorrectly hurting them.
Whatever "pain" is apparently being inflicted, if this is something that's actually bothering these assist-deprived players ... then we have the wrong players, don't you think? Just sayin' ...
P.S. - nice to bump into Scott briefly at the game tonight, plus several of my players and their families. Thoughts to follow tomorrowSworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostFor what it's worth, I absolutely take you at your word that this happened, AND it's against the guidebook ...
My god, Dan ... if you believe half of what you've written here ... so I guess your thought is that if (your example) Liam Blackburn has 20 assists by tournament time instead of 23 assists, that's going to be make-or-break on whether someone decides to interview him for the NESN broadcast, or give him consideration for All Hockey East Honorable Mention? I suspect your bigger point is that depriving a kid like Tyler Kelleher of a couple of extra helpers could be the difference between just getting a Hobey nomination, or making the "Hat Trick" or even winning the thing. But let's be honest here ... Kelleher didn't get more consideration for one reason, and one reason only. It wasn't because the folks in charge of handing out assists shorted him. Nope, it was because his season ended earlier than most (if not all) of the other front-runners, and for all the great things he did, his team finished in 10th place IIRC in the league. And the statistician who can make chicken salad out of that chicken crap hasn't been born yet.
Beyond that, I'm pretty sure that any scouts making assessments on these players aren't going to sweat it on whether the player had an assist docked after the fact.
The way you were going there, I was half-expecting you to conclude that such statistical thievery was going to destabilize the economy, burn a hole through the ozone layer, and melt the polar icecaps.
I think you know I'm with you 95% of the time when you/we rail against the amateur hour that parades as the AD's office in Durham. And I'm probably the last person on here who should be telling anyone not take things to silly, extreme conclusions 'cuz I've likely got the all-time board record for that (maybe the UNH SID is tracking that? ). But honestly, if we've come to the point where we're criticizing the stats guys on being stingy with the assists ... I mean, without looking it up, can you name the last 10 winners of the NCAA Men's D-1 Assists *title*? The last 5? The last 3?? Last season???
They're not only not helping their team/players but incorrectly hurting them.
Whatever "pain" is apparently being inflicted, if this is something that's actually bothering these assist-deprived players ... then we have the wrong players, don't you think? Just sayin' ...
P.S. - nice to bump into Scott briefly at the game tonight, plus several of my players and their families. Thoughts to follow tomorrowHere we go 'Cats!!
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Originally posted by catsfan View PostA bit sloppy tonight in the defensive end. Colgate could have scored a couple more if they hadn't missed some wide open net plus hit a couple of crossbars. Also, the team seemed a bit tired in the second half of the game; lost some of that jump that we have seen, and at the same time Colgate ramped it up a bit.
That said, nice to win on a night when we did not play as well.
Going forward we could do a bit better on face-offs; seem to have lost some key ones.
Crowd was small but noisy. Hopefully this year's improvement will bring back some fans as the season moves on.
Great to be 4-0!Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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Chuck - I have work(ed) as both a recruiter and a SID. Good latters are much more important and beneficial to the formers (for many reasons) then you know. It all adds up. I'm sure it hurts no ones feelings - but it certainly limits accomplishments/attention that recruiters can sell. But I know Ws and Ls are really all that matter to you and at the end of the day maybe you're right.
So let's leave it at UNHs latters consistently do a bad job at their job and it annoys me.Last edited by Dan; 10-14-2017, 10:15 PM.Live Free or Die!!
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Originally posted by HockeyRef View PostSorry to have missed you Mr. Murray...I had brought my Pom for easy identification. Hubby thought he saw you on the concourse!! Next time...
But enough about me. Cool vibe around the UNH campus tonight. Didn't realize the Men's Soccer team was playing in The House that BS35+5 Built (I forgot Football was at Stony Brook, and not at home), but them light thingies were looking very impressive. My kids have been graduated from UNH two years ago now, but the place definitely has changed over the last few years. Campus life seems to be a lot more lively these days, with all the added on-campus housing. I would like to say the kids are looking younger, but I know it's more a case of me moving in the other direction. Might get back next weekend for one of the CC dates before our season begins in earnest, but it's nice to see UNH winning games again. Coach is making a mockery of The Quest at this point - and good for him.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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For Snively65 ... looks like UNH is now up to #3 in the PWR, behind St. Cloud and Air Force. Previous #3 Colorado College (a/k/a the next cupcakes on the shelf) fell all the way down to #13. Expecting UNH to move up a few more spots in the national poll(s) this week, continuing their traditional "Champions of December" form.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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My god, the in game production crew at the Whitt needs some immediate remedial training. The entire in game was a mess tonight, they completely botched the entrance and by the third period had at least 10 people in my section (not me, but I understand their reasoning) as the music was way over the top. That alone could push any first timers they may have had in the crowd to say "not doing this again". Playing music over the in game announcements... The first couple of games were a bit rough but it's getting progressively worse. I used the STH feedback link they sent in the post game email to maybe get someones attention. *my god I'm ranting like an old man of 27 over here...*
Anyway, I had a hard time trying to figure out if we were playing down to Colgate or if they were coming out with something to prove tonight. I think it was a bit of both with the edge to Colgate playing up. I was happy with Salvaggio answering after they cut the lead to 2-1. There were not a lot of major concerns in the game, it just looked a bit sluggish compared to the last three. Tirone is making things look a lot easier out there so far, he was a little more "athletic" as some put it (scrambling in my book) tonight but still made a lot of key saves and did not give up any softies.
Take the win and move on, just do not fall asleep with your 4-0-0 record and be ready for Colorado next weekend.Last edited by deltabravo62; 10-14-2017, 10:55 PM.
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostFor Snively65 ... looks like UNH is now up to #3 in the PWR, behind St. Cloud and Air Force. Previous #3 Colorado College (a/k/a the next cupcakes on the shelf) fell all the way down to #13. Expecting UNH to move up a few more spots in the national poll(s) this week, continuing their traditional "Champions of December" form.
Tirone all alone at top with 4-0-0 record as goal keeper (thanks, HR).
UNH 3rd in GPG at 4.25, tied for 8th in GAPG at 1.75, 9th in PP for 26.67% (4 for 15), and 40th in PM at 10.5 PMPG (21 for 42 PM; no longer worthy of SMT designation).
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostFor Snively65 ... looks like UNH is now up to #3 in the PWR, behind St. Cloud and Air Force. Previous #3 Colorado College (a/k/a the next cupcakes on the shelf) fell all the way down to #13. Expecting UNH to move up a few more spots in the national poll(s) this week, continuing their traditional "Champions of December" form.
Sorry that we didn't get a chance to chat....glad that you made it to the game! Any opinion on the fermented beverage availability on the concourse?UNH
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Originally posted by Darius View PostColgate may not be all that good, but watching Max skate last night, it looked like he saw everything on the ice moving in slow motion. He did not start. Maas did. They were together on the PP together at least once. Has that ever happened at UNH before? FR D-men on the ice together?
Nothing succeeds like success which applies to these two guys.
Guess you could also say it applies to W's and dishing out helpers when appropriate too!!UNH Hockey: You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!
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Originally posted by catsfan View PostA bit sloppy tonight in the defensive end. Colgate could have scored a couple more if they hadn't missed some wide open net. Also, the team seemed a bit tired in the second half of the game; lost some of that jump that we have seen, and at the same time Colgate ramped it up a bit.
That said, nice to win on a night when we did not play as well.
Going forward we could do a bit better on face-offs; seem to have lost some key ones.
Crowd was small but noisy. Hopefully this year's improvement will bring back some fans as the season moves on.
Great to be 4-0!I will not be out cheered in my own building.
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