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    Quote Originally Posted by hab View Post
    So...if we are to believe you Shelfit...you have been nothing but bored by RPI hockey for many years and yet you have been watching their games regularly! It must suck to be you. And now you are already anticipating jumping on the new coach if he doesn't produce results in a couple years. And you expect us to believe that you will be watching the games all along the way. Your silly vendetta is just far too transparent...give it up. You don't watch the games, troll.
    Frustrated beyond measure is a more accurate description than bored, actually. I'm giving the new coach a short timeframe because my opinion is it was an easy hire for the school, not a thorough search process to find the best candidate possible....pretty lazy on their part....and that's a concern/red flag regarding the school's commitment to the women's program. I think there were plenty of other candidates that had actual prior experience coaching women's college hockey. I really don't care what you believe. Your posts are laughable at best. That my posts seem to bother you so much is funny as hell and is more entertaining than I could have anticipated. Next time I'm watching the team play I'll get a good chuckle thinking of you and how genuinely stupid you are. I'll have to remind myself that I'm not actually watching. ROTF LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by shelfit View Post
    Frustrated beyond measure is a more accurate description than bored, actually. I'm giving the new coach a short timeframe because my opinion is it was an easy hire for the school, not a thorough search process to find the best candidate possible....pretty lazy on their part....and that's a concern/red flag regarding the school's commitment to the women's program. I think there were plenty of other candidates that had actual prior experience coaching women's college hockey. I really don't care what you believe. Your posts are laughable at best. That my posts seem to bother you so much is funny as hell and is more entertaining than I could have anticipated. Next time I'm watching the team play I'll get a good chuckle thinking of you and how genuinely stupid you are. I'll have to remind myself that I'm not actually watching. ROTF LMAO
    Considering how the men's coach search was done, it isn't clear that the team would have found a better candidate rom a longer search. Also, although I expect him to still be around next season, isn't Vines still the interim coach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Considering how the men's coach search was done, it isn't clear that the team would have found a better candidate rom a longer search. Also, although I expect him to still be around next season, isn't Vines still the interim coach?
    The entire process of releasing the previous coach in the summer, claiming the AD had no time because of the men's search was ridiculous. I am of strong belief there were others things that came up that made it happen at that time. The "search" for a new HC was hardly done, though I believe a "promise" of a national search after the season would happen.

    Granted you're judged on W-L, and there are positives in the style of play this year, no question better than last year(s) due to the HC. What will happen is a crap shoot in my judgement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Considering how the men's coach search was done, it isn't clear that the team would have found a better candidate rom a longer search. Also, although I expect him to still be around next season, isn't Vines still the interim coach?
    All three of the most recent RPI women's coaches have been plucked from being assistant coaches on the men's team. It does give the appearance of having chosen someone convenient and known to the AD, versus someone identified as a strong prospect for coaching women's hockey at a high level. However, we are all armchair QBs on these matters, and for that reason I am not about to write off Vines. Only two good outcomes from this, for now: either 1) Vines impresses with his coaching and recruiting, or 2) RPI, for the first time in its history, does a serious search for a coach with the capability to build a D1 competitor.

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    All three of the most recent RPI women's coaches have been plucked from being assistant coaches on the men's team. It does give the appearance of having chosen someone convenient and known to the AD, versus someone identified as a strong prospect for coaching women's hockey at a high level. However, we are all armchair QBs on these matters, and for that reason I am not about to write off Vines. Only two good outcomes from this, for now: either 1) Vines impresses with his coaching and recruiting, or 2) RPI, for the first time in its history, does a serious search for a coach with the capability to build a D1 competitor.
    Well the 1st coach made lots of sense as he was planning the move from D3 to D1, good transition as he was successful at D3. Unfortunate circumstances so coach 2 was stepped in, just as the season starts to continue the transition. Good initial results with 1st coaches players then downhill, and stagnant for too long. Coach 3 is hired late very end of June, also lose an Asst so that job has to be filled first before much of other things get done. Obviously the verdict is out on Vines.

    No matter how you slice it, all the AD's in that time were not worth their salt as far as the women's program goes. Really no excuse for it and frankly again could be some of the reason for the need of the late hiring of Vines. Look behind the scenes, someone saw smoke.

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    Feel badly for the team. Outshot both Dartmouth and Harvard but came up with only one point on the weekend. Really good effort 'though. The challenge now is very stark to say the least. With one weekend left, they need to come up with at least one point against two of the best in the conference, Cornell and Colgate, and hope that Yale strikes out against PU and QU. My gut tells me that two points may be needed, and that is a very tall task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hab View Post
    Feel badly for the team. Outshot both Dartmouth and Harvard but came up with only one point on the weekend. Really good effort 'though. The challenge now is very stark to say the least. With one weekend left, they need to come up with at least one point against two of the best in the conference, Cornell and Colgate, and hope that Yale strikes out against PU and QU. My gut tells me that two points may be needed, and that is a very tall task.
    The shot totals from yesterday's game were misleading. The scorekeeper kept inflating RPI's total while not keeping track of Harvard shots. Harvard actually had more zone time than RPI and more shot attempts. Even with a two man advantage for over a minute, you couldn't generate much offense or attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northbynorthwest View Post
    The entire process of releasing the previous coach in the summer, claiming the AD had no time because of the men's search was ridiculous. I am of strong belief there were others things that came up that made it happen at that time. The "search" for a new HC was hardly done, though I believe a "promise" of a national search after the season would happen.
    If you ever check out the public relations department, you'll understand why Vines was named to this position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    If you ever check out the public relations department, you'll understand why Vines was named to this position.
    This doesn't sound like a positive post. Are you talking about how his wife works in that department? I believe that's already been discussed before. This again confirms that they made the easy choice but not necessarily the right choice or the hard choice by actually interviewing candidates that actually have previous experience in women's hockey at the college level. It's somewhat similar to the Brown situation except without the wife.
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    Well, it comes down to really needing a win against two teams we have almost no chance of beating without a Selander-driven miracle. At least the games are at home. We need a point to stay alive (duh), or two to have a coin flip of a shot. Even if we somehow pull down four points, we still won't be guaranteed a spot. We'll just have to see.

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    I posted this on men's thread, but it is relevant here.


    I do not know if the previous coaching staff tried to recruit Kali Flanagan, but any future Olympic player is worth trying to get, especially a legacy.

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    I will add her to the recruit list on the men's recruit thread when I next post it on Sunday. It looks like she is for the fall since the picture shows her signing a LOI. Also see https://www.neutralzone.net/womens/p...ah-lance-1281/


    Edit: Yes, she is arriving in the fall:
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    Ralph, I salute you as RPI's biggest and most loyal fan! This is long overdue.🖖

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelfit View Post
    Ralph, I salute you as RPI's biggest and most loyal fan! This is long overdue.��
    Not of the women's team. There are others here who are more so than I am

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    Not of the women's team. There are others here who are more so than I am
    I didn't say of just the women's team. Overall, you da man!

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    Hopefully the girls can get a win this weekend. It would be nice if actually more than 100 fans could show up to such an important weekend. Last week Dartmouth and Harvard both drew 600 when RPI was there. If you look at the stats for attendance, RPI is once again near the bottom. And you can't use the fact that they are low in the standings, because there are lower that draw much higher attendance. It would be very disappointing and demoralizing for the girls to once again see no one at their games this weekend considering how important these games are. I wish the student population would show more school pride and support their teams like other colleges instead of staying in their dorms and playing video games. Its not the determining factor when girls decide on playing for RPI, but I do know that they all talk to each other, and playing in front of 500-1000 fans for every home game as opposed to 98, does get discussed. If their were over 1000 people at each game this weekend, it would show the girls that the school body does care and is supporting them on their playoff push, but don't hold your breath.

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    Just saying, two hours of video games is probably more fun for most people than watching us get killed by Cornell and Colgate this weekend. RPI could definitely advertise all athletics better, not just women's hockey, but as much as you deny it as a factor, the team being bad is going to depress attendance.

    Looking at the last ten years of RPI Women's hockey, we see the following trend:


    As team performance has declined, so has attendance. Not that correlation=causation, but the weighted win percentage and attendance marks are very highly correlated, with an R2 of 0.79.


    Attendance stats taken from collegehockeystats.net. In the earlier years, most games reported nice round numbers (e.g., 100 or 150) for attendance, so we should consider those estimates rather than exact numbers.
    I won't embed it here as this is the women's thread, but here is the same graph, but for the men. For the first half or so of the window, attendance seemed to correlate much better with the previous year's win percentage, but that fell apart in the second half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lugnut92 View Post
    Just saying, two hours of video games is probably more fun for most people than watching us get killed by Cornell and Colgate this weekend. RPI could definitely advertise all athletics better, not just women's hockey, but as much as you deny it as a factor, the team being bad is going to depress attendance.

    Looking at the last ten years of RPI Women's hockey, we see the following trend:


    As team performance has declined, so has attendance. Not that correlation=causation, but the weighted win percentage and attendance marks are very highly correlated, with an R2 of 0.79.


    Attendance stats taken from collegehockeystats.net. In the earlier years, most games reported nice round numbers (e.g., 100 or 150) for attendance, so we should consider those estimates rather than exact numbers.
    I won't embed it here as this is the women's thread, but here is the same graph, but for the men. For the first half or so of the window, attendance seemed to correlate much better with the previous year's win percentage, but that fell apart in the second half.
    Attendance ALWAYS lags success and frankly I don't trust those women's hockey attendance numbers at all.

    What someone needs to do is find another group from campus but can be off campus, that would lend their support and show up to games.

    There are many schools that don't even support the men's program even when winning. It's an attitude that shows from the very top down.

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    And these graphs exactly express what I have been trying to say. Even when the team was doing better, no attendance. Yet teams that are much below RPI, draw 600. In other words, you can't say poor attendance because of poor record. That's a cop out. And to say that they have no chance this weekend might not be quite true as well. They lost to #1 ranked Clarkson in OT and lost to Cornell by 1 goal. Both those games could have gone either way. Have you noticed how many games RPI has lost this year by 1. I wonder how many of those 1 goal loss games would have been wins if there were 800 screaming fans cheering them on. Whether you believe it or not, it does make a difference. RPIs home opener this year drew in the 80s if I recall. Not good!!!! Just my 2 cents worth

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    The graph shows that as the team has gotten worse, attendance has gone from bad to terrible. What I was actually trying to say is that it's kind of silly to wish for attendance to improve when we're just not good. It's obvious that our attendance at women's games has always been bad, but it's not likely to change unless we actually make some noise in the ECAC.

    Also, the team has lost just as many games by 3 or more as they have by 1. How many of those one goal losses would have been more if it weren't for Selander?
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