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  • #466
    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

    Steele and Ungar tonight had an incredible discussion on unions and labor tonight. If you can podcast it, do it.
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    • #467
      Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

      The GOP is still running face forward into that wall on The Heist, dancing for their donors. The bribes they get from the 1% outweigh all other considerations.
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      • #468
        Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
        Steele and Ungar tonight had an incredible discussion on unions and labor tonight. If you can podcast it, do it.
        Steele has been very interesting during the Dump Captivity. He's genuinely surprised by what his party turns out to really be. He's hurt.

        It's amazing that these otherwise intelligent guys really kidded themselves all those years that Republican voters had principles of limited government and fiscal conservatism, and weren't just social reactionaries. Like liberals, I guess conservative academics also told themselves that rank and file Republicans were just like them.

        Spoiler alert: Nope.
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        • #469
          Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Steele has been very interesting during the Dump Captivity. He's genuinely surprised by what his party turns out to really be. He's hurt.

          It's amazing that these otherwise intelligent guys really kidded themselves all those years that Republican voters had principles of limited government and fiscal conservatism, and weren't just social reactionaries. Like liberals, I guess conservative academics also told themselves that rank and file Republicans were just like them.

          Spoiler alert: Nope.
          Heh. Yeah, my level of respect for him has grown. Kind of like Boehner right before he left. I kept saying, “Boehner sucks, but he’s the only thing holding back the floodwaters of insanity. We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall.”

          Steele is a little different in that he’s not a partisan hack. He can actually agree with a liberal like Ungar and not worry about his place in the party. Same thing with Ungar. It’s probably the best political talk show on radio.

          But, really. Go back and listen to that podcast. It’s a good one. I might download it for my flight here shortly. Rick really kind of espoused my position on labor and unions. He also said something else I buy into: this isn’t sustainable. Eventually we’re going to see backlash from the labor force and it’s not going to be pretty for American corporations.
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          Originally posted by Kepler
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          He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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          • #470
            Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

            Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
            He also said something else I buy into: this isn’t sustainable. Eventually we’re going to see backlash from the labor force and it’s not going to be pretty for American corporations.
            The 1% have been in a race to impoverish and scatter American labor before it can get its sh-t together. That's what they've been working towards since Goldwater and was at the core of their takeover of the Republican Party. And then, just at the moment of their triumph, Dump swept in and stole the party out from under them.

            The overdetermining characteristic of the 1% is its obsolescence. If we ever needed them, it was for massive capital accumulation to finance mass labor, industrial projects. Time has swept them onto the rubbish heap of history just as it did the other aristocracies of the past: warlord, high priest, knight, lord, royal.

            We're in a transitional period. We can't imagine what's coming next because our brains are conditioned by industrial and capitalist models, the way 16th century minds were conditioned by agrarian and manorial models. But whatever comes next will have no use for the old furniture we sit uncomfortably in, which was designed for another time.
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            • #471
              Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

              [A] growing number of nonpartisan analyses show that some middle-class Americans would not get more money in their pockets under the GOP plan. Instead, they would face higher tax bills, a potential pitfall in selling this plan to the public and to enough lawmakers for it to pass.

              Nine percent of middle-class tax filers (those earning between $48,600 and $86,100) would pay more in taxes next year, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center released Wednesday. By 2027, 31 percent of middle-class filers would see tax hikes, the center said.
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              • #472
                Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

                Heard this morning that despite the votes from Tuesday the heist is full throttle ahead.
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                • #473
                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  The 1% have been in a race to impoverish and scatter American labor before it can get its sh-t together. That's what they've been working towards since Goldwater and was at the core of their takeover of the Republican Party. And then, just at the moment of their triumph, Dump swept in and stole the party out from under them.

                  The overdetermining characteristic of the 1% is its obsolescence. If we ever needed them, it was for massive capital accumulation to finance mass labor, industrial projects. Time has swept them onto the rubbish heap of history just as it did the other aristocracies of the past: warlord, high priest, knight, lord, royal.

                  We're in a transitional period. We can't imagine what's coming next because our brains are conditioned by industrial and capitalist models, the way 16th century minds were conditioned by agrarian and manorial models. But whatever comes next will have no use for the old furniture we sit uncomfortably in, which was designed for another time.
                  Duh

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                  • #474
                    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

                    The Heist proceeds apace.
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                    • #475
                      Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      The Heist proceeds apace.
                      If this passes they've accomplished their only real goal for the term.
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                      • #476
                        Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                        If this passes they've accomplished their only real goal for the term.
                        Yes. I wish Kos etc would stop yammering about identity and gun control and Trump and just concentrate on this. This is the sole purpose for the Republican Party to exist. We need to have every voting family talking about this at the dinner table and every voter calling their Member and threatening defenestration if they rape us again.

                        This right here is the legacy of the GOP for the next 30 years, even moreso than the Court. We have to stop this. This is the 1% gassing our kids and grandkids.
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                        • #477
                          Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          Yes. I wish Kos etc would stop yammering about identity and gun control and Trump and just concentrate on this. This is the sole purpose for the Republican Party to exist. We need to have every voting family talking about this at the dinner table and every voter calling their Member and threatening defenestration if they rape us again.

                          This right here is the legacy of the GOP for the next 30 years, even moreso than the Court. We have to stop this. This is the 1% gassing our kids and grandkids.
                          Is it really?

                          Let's assume it's as bad for all of us as it sounds, or maybe worse. That's the assumption I'm going with. Doesn't it change in two years, four years tops? Tax policy is only as good as the next election.

                          However, if we're going to assume that when the Democrats regain power, and they will regain power, they will just go along with the tax law passed by Trump because ruling Democrats and their financial supporters are just as wealthy as ruling Republicans and their supporters, well, then, your kids and grandkids will have been gassed. If nothing else, the horribly unfair Trump tax plan, if passed, may very well force the Democrats to actually do what they claim they do, but never actually do -- Look out for the lower and middle classes.

                          The horror for the Democrats is not the financial ruin to the 99% caused by the tax plan. It's being put in a position where they'll have to do the dirty work of raising taxes, reinstating estate taxes, etc..., to prevent that ruin.
                          That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                          • #478
                            Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

                            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                            Is it really?

                            Let's assume it's as bad for all of us as it sounds, or maybe worse. That's the assumption I'm going with. Doesn't it change in two years, four years tops? Tax policy is only as good as the next election.

                            However, if we're going to assume that when the Democrats regain power, and they will regain power, they will just go along with the tax law passed by Trump because ruling Democrats and their financial supporters are just as wealthy as ruling Republicans and their supporters, well, then, your kids and grandkids will have been gassed. If nothing else, the horribly unfair Trump tax plan, if passed, may very well force the Democrats to actually do what they claim they do, but never actually do -- Look out for the lower and middle classes.

                            The horror for the Democrats is not the financial ruin to the 99% caused by the tax plan. It's being put in a position where they'll have to do the dirty work of raising taxes, reinstating estate taxes, etc..., to prevent that ruin.
                            Yes, really.
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                            • #479
                              Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

                              Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                              Is it really?

                              Let's assume it's as bad for all of us as it sounds, or maybe worse. That's the assumption I'm going with. Doesn't it change in two years, four years tops? Tax policy is only as good as the next election.
                              The Reagan cuts have been with us with 36 years despite the trillions in debt and the death of the middle class. Tax cuts on the rich are like little US flag lapel pins. Once you're stuck with them you're stuck with them -- it doesn't matter how f-cking stupid they are, you'll be shivved if you remove them.

                              This is like a car accident. Yes, we have medicine, but if you let the crash happen the damage is done.
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                              • #480
                                Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                The Reagan cuts have been with us with 36 years despite the trillions in debt and the death of the middle class. Tax cuts on the rich are like little US flag lapel pins. Once you're stuck with them you're stuck with them -- it doesn't matter how f-cking stupid they are, you'll be shivved if you remove them.

                                This is like a car accident. Yes, we have medicine, but if you let the crash happen the damage is done.
                                Kind of hard to blame the Republicans then if your own party is happy to keep them in place.
                                That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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