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    Quote Originally Posted by jerphisch View Post
    Flying coach is more than offset by buying an extra seat so no one is next to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Wait, she booked two seats for herself? I completely missed that. -500.
    Yes, she bought two seats, the flight was overbooked, so they gave the extra seat to a human being and refunded her money. That was the atrocity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Yes, she bought two seats, the flight was overbooked, so they gave the extra seat to a human being and refunded her money. That was the atrocity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Yes, she bought two seats, the flight was overbooked, so they gave the extra seat to a human being and refunded her money. That was the atrocity.
    I thought she booked an economy plus seat (or whatever Delta calls their economy seats with leg room), but was bumped from it. Not that she'd bought a second seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    I thought she booked an economy plus seat (or whatever Delta calls their economy seats with leg room), but was bumped from it. Not that she'd bought a second seat.
    That was my understanding too. I also thought she had picked a specific seat and not just a seat in that group. If she did pick a specific seat its pretty messed up they could give her the boot unless there were some serious extenuating circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    I thought she booked an economy plus seat (or whatever Delta calls their economy seats with leg room), but was bumped from it. Not that she'd bought a second seat.
    Ah. OK, I can see that.
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    Yeah I'm not so sure now either, it was originally reported over the weekend as a second seat, but that may have been based on someone's misreading of her tweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    That was my understanding too. I also thought she had picked a specific seat and not just a seat in that group. If she did pick a specific seat its pretty messed up they could give her the boot unless there were some serious extenuating circumstances.
    Meh, that happens all the farking time. Until you get your boarding pass, the airlines can do pretty much anything to you.

    I think it's hilarious that she claims to have spent an hour picking her seat, and that she claims her time is worth 10 grand an hour.

    If you're spending an hour to pick an airline seat, your time definitely is not worth 10-large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Meh, that happens all the farking time. Until you get your boarding pass, the airlines can do pretty much anything to you.

    I think it's hilarious that she claims to have spent an hour picking her seat, and that she claims her time is worth 10 grand an hour.

    If you're spending an hour to pick an airline seat, your time definitely is not worth 10-large.
    If "your time is worth 10-large" then you're not flying coach. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Meh, that happens all the farking time. Until you get your boarding pass, the airlines can do pretty much anything to you.

    I think it's hilarious that she claims to have spent an hour picking her seat, and that she claims her time is worth 10 grand an hour.

    If you're spending an hour to pick an airline seat, your time definitely is not worth 10-large.
    After some more research there likely was a legitimate reason they bumped her. I think she did actually have her boarding pass and was in her seat. It sounds like they just bottled the handling of moving her. Why not make up some reason, even if it's bogus? The 'I don't know' routine is very irritating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Meh, that happens all the farking time. Until you get your boarding pass, the airlines can do pretty much anything to you.
    Honestly, I'm going to take her side here if that's the case. I know they do it all the time, but they shouldn't be able to.

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    My understanding was that she booked an aisle exit row seat, and was moved to a window exit row seat, so in classic DYKWIA fashion she pitched a fit. She also photographed the passenger who was assigned to sit in "her" seat, and posted it to Twitter without asking the woman's permission, which is a big no-no, and IMO that action should earn her a lifetime ban from the airline. However, because she's a C-list celebrity she'll probably skate.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    My understanding was that she booked an aisle exit row seat, and was moved to a window exit row seat, so in classic DYKWIA fashion she pitched a fit. She also photographed the passenger who was assigned to sit in "her" seat, and posted it to Twitter without asking the woman's permission, which is a big no-no, and IMO that action should earn her a lifetime ban from the airline. However, because she's a C-list celebrity she'll probably skate.
    Unless the photo defames the woman, violates her right of publicity or invades her privacy, permission is not needed as far as I know. Why is it "a big no-no"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Unless the photo defames the woman, violates her right of publicity or invades her privacy, permission is not needed as far as I know. Why is it "a big no-no"?
    An airplane is not a public space, for one, so you can't claim the first amendment protects your right to photograph there. (If I invite you to come to my government office, that doesn't mean you get to take pictures of the non public portions of it.)

    I'm guessing airline rules/contract of carriage likely prohibit unauthorized photography.

    Considering the professional troll is essentially using the woman's image for marketing purposes, you could also argue misappropriation if she didn't get the woman's permission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Unless the photo defames the woman, violates her right of publicity or invades her privacy, permission is not needed as far as I know. Why is it "a big no-no"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    An airplane is not a public space, for one, so you can't claim the first amendment protects your right to photograph there. (If I invite you to come to my government office, that doesn't mean you get to take pictures of the non public portions of it.)

    I'm guessing airline rules/contract of carriage likely prohibit unauthorized photography.

    Considering the professional troll is essentially using the woman's image for marketing purposes, you could also argue misappropriation if she didn't get the woman's permission.
    Does having an substantial influence or harassing the person play into that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    An airplane is not a public space, for one, so you can't claim the first amendment protects your right to photograph there. (If I invite you to come to my government office, that doesn't mean you get to take pictures of the non public portions of it.)

    I'm guessing airline rules/contract of carriage likely prohibit unauthorized photography.

    Considering the professional troll is essentially using the woman's image for marketing purposes, you could also argue misappropriation if she didn't get the woman's permission.
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    Re: Business, Economics & Tax Policy 5.0: Can a blind nut find a squirrel?

    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    An airplane is not a public space, for one, so you can't claim the first amendment protects your right to photograph there. (If I invite you to come to my government office, that doesn't mean you get to take pictures of the non public portions of it.)

    I'm guessing airline rules/contract of carriage likely prohibit unauthorized photography.

    Considering the professional troll is essentially using the woman's image for marketing purposes, you could also argue misappropriation if she didn't get the woman's permission.

    A plane may or may not technically be a public place but I thought this generally hinged on a person's reasonable expectation of privacy? You have it in your home, you may have some in your office, but I'm not seeing how a person has that expectation in a large airplane cabin full of strangers?


    I believe you are correct about the airlines rules. They may be able to stop you in the course of taking a picture, or even kick you off the plane when they see your do it, but I'd argue that unless they are fairly uniformly suspending passengers for taking any of the thousands of pictures I've seen published from inside of planes after the fact, they'd have a hard time suspending her over this one. I don't believe they can just arbitrarily apply their rules in that way.

    Misappropriation seems a stretch, but sure you can argue it. A lawyer can argue anything they can imaginate up with any chance at all of a given group of yokels buying into it!
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