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    That reminds me... ARM once told me that no non-conference opponent has a winning record against the Gophers (I think?). Does that mean that after Friday, Merrimack (at the time) became the only team to have accomplished that feat?
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    That reminds me... ARM once told me that no non-conference opponent has a winning record against the Gophers (I think?). Does that mean that after Friday, Merrimack (at the time) became the only team to have accomplished that feat?
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    That reminds me... ARM once told me that no non-conference opponent has a winning record against the Gophers (I think?). Does that mean that after Friday, Merrimack (at the time) became the only team to have accomplished that feat?
    Minnesota was 19-1 in season openers until this weekend. The 1 in 19-1 was Robert Morris. On opening weekend 2008-09 Robert Morris won the season opener 3-2 at Ridder despite being outshot 65-10. Robert Morris also actually scored first in the second game but the Gophers buried them 7-1 (50-13 in SOG) with goals from Schoullis getting the equalizer and then Gigi Marvin scoring the GWG unassisted and shorthanded. Marvin and Sarah Erickson each had two goals and Gigi also had an assist. JLam had two assists and MLam had one in the second games of their short run as Gophers.

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    Merrimack and Robert Morris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    That reminds me... ARM once told me that no non-conference opponent has a winning record against the Gophers (I think?). Does that mean that after Friday, Merrimack (at the time) became the only team to have accomplished that feat?
    Are there conference opponents with winning records against the Gophers? I looked for a "press guide" or "fact book" at their web site but didn't find one.

    The UW web site has a book that lists game-by-game and cumulative records against everyone every played (along with MUCH other info). Gophers currently leading 48-30-11. (Before 2005, UW didn't win very many.)

    http://www.uwbadgers.com/documents/2...Recordbook.pdf

    Duluth doesn't seem to have such a book, either.

    (Adding the answer to the next obvious question, other teams against whom the Badgers don't have a better record? Surprisingly, three: Brown 0-2 (played in 1999 and 2000), New Hampshire 6-6-1, and Princeton 0-0-1 (again, in 1999) )
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    We were on the same side in the Civil war.
    Not to detract from your point but why is it that almost everyone, Americans and non Americans alike, including history books, refer to the war between the states as the "Civil War" when it was no such thing?...it was a war of secession.

    Just askin'.

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    Not to detract from your point but why is it that almost everyone, Americans and non Americans alike, including history books, refer to the war between the states as the "Civil War" when it was no such thing?...it was a war of secession.

    Just askin'.
    The south lost, thus settling the legal question of whether or not it was a civil war.

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    Not to detract from your point but why is it that almost everyone, Americans and non Americans alike, including history books, refer to the war between the states as the "Civil War" when it was no such thing?...it was a war of secession.

    Just askin'.
    A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country, and yes the southern states seceded, but I don't believe the US government officially ever recognized they left, hence at least from the north's standpoint is was a civil war. I suppose from the south's perspective it was a revolutionary war, or a war of independence. That was a good question, I had not thought of it in these term before.

    I've often pondered the thought of WI, MN and MI seceding from the US and forming it's own country.
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    A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country, and yes the southern states seceded, but I don't believe the US government officially ever recognized they left, hence at least from the north's standpoint is was a civil war. I suppose from the south's perspective it was a revolutionary war, or a war of independence. That was a good question, I had not thought of it in these term before.

    I've often pondered the thought of WI, MN and MI seceding from the US and forming it's own country.
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    A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country,
    That's only half right.

    A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country who are fighting for control of the government of that country.

    That's not what happened in the US. The South just wanted out of the union to go their own way (because of Lincoln's taxation policies that were going to crush the south)...like one party to a marriage wanting a divorce.

    The North wanted no part of it and started the thumping.

    (More nonsense that we've been fed all our lives is that it was a war about slavery...but again, it was no such thing, nor was Lincoln any shining hero fighting for the abolition of slavery).

    The point, as with many other things in life, is that most of us have been conditioned to believe certain things to be true...in this case, that certain historical events occurred/unfolded in a certain fashion leaving lasting impressions on us, for better or worse, often positively reinforcing or otherwise affecting our personal value systems with respect to what we believe to be right vs wrong. Meanwhile we are the victims of believing a false narrative that we have been fed and we have unknowingly used that false narrative to affect our view of the world.

    The net effect is millions of people walking around believing that many "important" events and the lessons learned from them are part of the cosmic firmament when it just ain't so.

    Let that sink in for a minute.

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    (More nonsense that we've been fed all our lives is that it was a war about slavery...
    In 7th gr history I was taught that the core issue was states' rights, not slavery, but in this thread, the war between the states is more likely to refer to Wisconsin and Minnesota, so I'll opt to stay on topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbeard View Post
    That's only half right.

    A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country who are fighting for control of the government of that country.

    That's not what happened in the US. The South just wanted out of the union to go their own way (because of Lincoln's taxation policies that were going to crush the south)...like one party to a marriage wanting a divorce.

    The North wanted no part of it and started the thumping.

    (More nonsense that we've been fed all our lives is that it was a war about slavery...but again, it was no such thing, nor was Lincoln any shining hero fighting for the abolition of slavery).

    The point, as with many other things in life, is that most of us have been conditioned to believe certain things to be true...in this case, that certain historical events occurred/unfolded in a certain fashion leaving lasting impressions on us, for better or worse, often positively reinforcing or otherwise affecting our personal value systems with respect to what we believe to be right vs wrong. Meanwhile we are the victims of believing a false narrative that we have been fed and we have unknowingly used that false narrative to affect our view of the world.

    The net effect is millions of people walking around believing that many "important" events and the lessons learned from them are part of the cosmic firmament when it just ain't so.

    Let that sink in for a minute.
    I surely don't want to hear your opinion on the origins of WWII. I'll just stick to hockey from here on out. The gophers suck and rodentsota can go to hell, though I do have a heart warming story about how a dude from MN fixed a major passport issue this summer for me, but I'll save that for another time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbeard View Post

    The point, as with many other things in life, is that most of us have been conditioned to believe certain things to be true...in this case, that certain historical events occurred/unfolded in a certain fashion leaving lasting impressions on us, for better or worse, often positively reinforcing or otherwise affecting our personal value systems with respect to what we believe to be right vs wrong. Meanwhile we are the victims of believing a false narrative that we have been fed and we have unknowingly used that false narrative to affect our view of the world.

    The net effect is millions of people walking around believing that many "important" events and the lessons learned from them are part of the cosmic firmament when it just ain't so.

    Let that sink in for a minute.
    sort of like Canada teaching its citizens that they defeated the imperialist US in the War of 1812.


    FWIW, the victor writes history
    the victorious North was not likely to say they fought the war and millions were killed to prevent the southern states from leaving the union
    it is much easier to justify by taking the moral high ground and saying it was to end slavery

    I was going to say that we are currently in a civil war "A civil war is a war between citizens of the same country who are fighting for control of the government of that country."
    but then I looked up the definition of civil:
    2.courteous and polite, "we tried to be civil to him"

    so I guess it is just good 'ol war
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    I surely don't want to hear your opinion on the origins of WWII. I'll just stick to hockey from here on out.
    The implied point (and maybe I should have made it clearer) to my post was how can we effectively communicate with each other if we don't first know what we are talking about and what things that we state or say, mean?

    And my post certainly is not and was not directed at you, it's a question for all of us. Your mention of the "Civil War" just brought the topic to mind because I have read a fair amount about it recently including the misconception that I mentioned that most labour under. I was one of them.

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    sort of like Canada teaching its citizens that they defeated the imperialist US in the War of 1812.
    Hahaha. Good one.


    Quote Originally Posted by pokechecker View Post
    FWIW, the victor writes history
    I was going to use that line in my post but just chose not to. It is certainly true, and is part of the problem that I mentioned.


    Quote Originally Posted by pokechecker View Post
    the victorious North was not likely to say they fought the war and millions were killed to prevent the southern states from leaving the union
    it is much easier to justify by taking the moral high ground and saying it was to end slavery
    I couldn't agree with you more. Spin has always existed.

    And yeah, what war is ever civil? I was going to mention that too but chose not to.

    We're starting to see some things eye to eye. I'm getting the sense that I should be getting scared.

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    Holy crap this thread sucks

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