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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    The obstruction is him asking Comey to stop looking at Flynn.
    Sure. Works for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    It was never confirmed until now. Yeah, it was out there but you have to be very careful with assumptions nowadays. Now it's fact. He can't run. He can try lying some more but he can't do that either.
    it's still not confirmed. It's just Comey saying he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    The obstruction is him asking Comey to stop looking at Flynn.
    Let me ask this, and I really don't know the answer because I'm not familiar with criminal law. If I (or Trump) go to an investigator or the head of the FBI and say, "you know, there really is nothing to this whole Flynn thing, I think you should just let it go," is that technically obstruction of justice? Doesn't it take something more? Doesn't it take something like also connecting to that request the discussion with Comey about keeping his job, or his later termination? I know we have the Trump comments about why he fired Comey, so maybe they make that connection, but don't they actually need that connection?

    If someone in Trumps position simply argues that there is nothing that Flynn did that is illegal and the investigation should be dropped, or even makes that statement to Comey but does nothing more (no threats to Comey or no actual interference in the investigation), that can't alone be obstruction, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    it's still not confirmed. It's just Comey saying he did.

    To remove Trumpy from office, we're gonna need cold hard paper trails of him working with the Russians, and hopefully, surveillance footage of him wacking himself in the corner while Russian hookers are ******ing on a mattress
    Based on credibility it's been confirmed as far as I'm concerned. Quite frankly I could give two ****s about getting him out of office with Pence in the wings. I just want any traction on anything stopped and that's getting more and more likely every day. I also want more and more scrutiny and oversight and that's getting more and more likely every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Let me ask this, and I really don't know the answer because I'm not familiar with criminal law. If I (or Trump) go to an investigator or the head of the FBI and say, "you know, there really is nothing to this whole Flynn thing, I think you should just let it go," is that technically obstruction of justice? Doesn't it take something more? Doesn't it take something like also connecting to that request the discussion with Comey about keeping his job, or his later termination? I know we have the Trump comments about why he fired Comey, so maybe they make that connection, but don't they actually need that connection?

    If someone in Trumps position simply argues that there is nothing that Flynn did that is illegal and the investigation should be dropped, or even makes that statement to Comey but does nothing more (no threats to Comey or no actual interference in the investigation), that can't alone be obstruction, is it?
    At a minimum it's highly unethical and at this point we need some things that are left at a high ethical standard. It's Congress' job to make that happen. That becomes more and more likely every day no matter what Turtle Boy and Ryan the scumbag say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Let me ask this, and I really don't know the answer because I'm not familiar with criminal law. If I (or Trump) go to an investigator or the head of the FBI and say, "you know, there really is nothing to this whole Flynn thing, I think you should just let it go," is that technically obstruction of justice? Doesn't it take something more? Doesn't it take something like also connecting to that request the discussion with Comey about keeping his job, or his later termination? I know we have the Trump comments about why he fired Comey, so maybe they make that connection, but don't they actually need that connection?

    If someone in Trumps position simply argues that there is nothing that Flynn did that is illegal and the investigation should be dropped, or even makes that statement to Comey but does nothing more (no threats to Comey or no actual interference in the investigation), that can't alone be obstruction, is it?
    You mean something like firing the FBI Director who didn't "just let it go?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    You mean something like firing the FBI Director who didn't just"let it go?"
    Good point. I had forgotten that piece. It's adding up to be quite the mess. Ideally we'll get a complete "Live Tweet" session from @realDonaldTrump tomorrow during testimony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    You mean something like firing the FBI Director who didn't just"let it go?"
    Didn't I reference that?

    But that's my point. Your initial post that the "obstruction is asking Comey to stop looking at Flynn" isn't accurate unless there is that "or else", like a firing or a threat of firing or something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Didn't I reference that?

    But that's my point. Your initial post that the "obstruction is asking Comey to stop looking at Flynn" isn't accurate unless there is that "or else", like a firing or a threat of firing or something else.
    Isn't firing enough? Or does there have to be reference to the quid pro quo first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Isn't firing enough? Or does there have to be reference to the quid pro quo first?
    Firing is the "or else" SJHovey referenced, Scooby. Does an obstruction of justice charge, in a situation like that, have to be predicated upon some punitive threat made towards the person conducting the investigation, or would simply making a request suffice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    Firing is the "or else" SJHovey referenced, Scooby. Does an obstruction of justice charge, in a situation like that, have to be predicated upon some punitive threat made towards the person conducting the investigation, or would simply making a request suffice?
    Yeah, that's what I meant but you stated it much better.
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    Someone needs to cite the obstruction statute under which the charge would be brought.

    edit: I see there are a number of offenses set forth in 18 U.S.C beginning with section 1503.

    This from section 1505:

    18 U.S. Code 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

    Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or

    Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    Firing is the "or else" SJHovey referenced, Scooby. Does an obstruction of justice charge, in a situation like that, have to be predicated upon some punitive threat made towards the person conducting the investigation, or would simply making a request suffice?
    Yes, but Trumpy can certainly argue that firing Covey was un-related to the Russian investigation. Now you and I might not buy that, but if you're gonna make that sort of thing stick to Trump, Mueller needs to dig up the hard evidence that proves that is why he was fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication
    So this seems to be the money shot here.
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    Interesting thing about obstruction of justice charges is also there need not BE obstruction for one to be guilty, you only have to ATTEMPT to obstruct and can be found guilty of obstruction.

    And of course right on cue are the mealy mouthed responses of the most patriotic of all Americans, the conservatives:
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Schlapp, Chairman of the American Conservative Union
    This is one man's account of a conversation, it is a set of notes, it's exactly what we expect from James Comey. ... He is a grand-stander, he likes to be the honest man, he is going to play that role on Thursday,
    He doesn't even bother denying the validity of what Comey has previewed, because he knows trump supporters don't even care if trump is a criminal. Of course most of trump's supporters are so stupid they don't have a second brain cell that possesses the ability to think critically. We're either gonna see this 5h!t until 2021 or the media is going to suffer extreme trump fatigue and give up before the 2018 midterms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    Interesting thing about obstruction of justice charges is also there need not BE obstruction for one to be guilty, you only have to ATTEMPT to obstruct and can be found guilty of obstruction.

    And of course right on cue are the mealy mouthed responses of the most patriotic of all Americans, the conservatives:


    He doesn't even bother denying the validity of what Comey has previewed, because he knows trump supporters don't even care if trump is a criminal. Of course most of trump's supporters are so stupid they don't have a second brain cell that possesses the ability to think critically. We're either gonna see this 5h!t until 2021 or the media is going to suffer extreme trump fatigue and give up before the 2018 midterms.
    I remember hearing this asshat talk a few weeks ago and I had to change the channel. He offers nothing of substance. I couldn't find what I remember him talking about but it was maddening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Let me ask this, and I really don't know the answer because I'm not familiar with criminal law. If I (or Trump) go to an investigator or the head of the FBI and say, "you know, there really is nothing to this whole Flynn thing, I think you should just let it go," is that technically obstruction of justice?
    Depends upon the relationship of "I (or Trump)" in this theoretical to, "an investigator or the head of the FBI".

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    People smarter then I on the TV are saying obstruction. Seems to be clear.

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