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    I like it. This is what Dems should be pushing for right now. Looking back on the lessons learned from the ACA this is how the program should continue to transition. In fact it should be one of the main or even only policy issue they run on in 2018 in state contests beyond the obvious "Trump Sucks!!!" strategy. Best part is you really don't need a federal law to enact these changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    I like it. This is what Dems should be pushing for right now. Looking back on the lessons learned from the ACA this is how the program should continue to transition. In fact it should be one of the main or even only policy issue they run on in 2018 in state contests beyond the obvious "Trump Sucks!!!" strategy. Best part is you really don't need a federal law to enact these changes.
    For now, yes, I agree.

    The eventual solution is a federal program. My health insurance shouldn't depend upon my state. Hell, the eventual solution is global coverage -- nation-states have outlived their usefulness. But it's hard enough fighting the apes over federalism. We'll need a global themonuclear war for 1WG to get anywhere.
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    For now, yes, I agree.

    The eventual solution is a federal program. My health insurance shouldn't depend upon my state. Hell, the eventual solution is global coverage -- nation-states have outlived their usefulness. But it's hard enough fighting the apes over federalism. We'll need a global themonuclear war for 1WG to get anywhere.
    No it shouldnt...but at the same time the Blue States will continue to do well and the Red States will crash and burn. This is what they want (STATES RIGHTS!) so lets give it to them. Sooner or later it will hit critical mass and it will go Federal.

    Beat them at their own game...
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    No it shouldnt...but at the same time the Blue States will continue to do well and the Red States will crash and burn. This is what they want (STATES RIGHTS!) so lets give it to them. Sooner or later it will hit critical mass and it will go Federal.

    Beat them at their own game...
    I am all for states rights. I'm tired of carrying the south. Cut them loose. They will economically and socially nuke themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Oh goody...no offense but that means nothing to me. Booker is great in his role but if the Dems put him up for President they will have another Clinton like debacle on their hands. (made only worse because he is Black so the Obama Derp will be back) You dont get to talk about how much you care about Health Care and support a guy who sold out Health Care.

    You always talk about how you want True Believers out of the GOP...well I want that from the Dems. I want someone who wont sell out their values because it doesnt poll high or because Big Pharma donated money to their campaign. If I want to vote for corporate shills and sellouts I would vote Republican...at least they dont hide that they would sell their mothers for a $10k donation.

    (and yes I would obviously "do the right thing" but plenty of people wouldnt)
    Exactly why Trump is in office. You did the right thing.

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    Well the Dems can avoid that problem if they actually put forth a candidate half the party wont dislike
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    Well the Dems can avoid that problem if they actually put forth a candidate half the party wont dislike
    I don't see that happening. Based on the last 4 Democratic Nominees they've only hit on one. That gives them a 25% chance.
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    I don't see that happening. Based on the last 4 Democratic Nominees they've only hit on one. That gives them a 25% chance.
    There's nobody hated waiting in the wings. We'd have to nominate Kathy Griffin to be as tone deaf as last time.

    Assuming the Tyro Turd Tyrant survives the GOP renom, we just have to run somebody people aren't already sick to death of. That only takes a handful of names off the table: Bernie, Dean, any prior nominee. Maybe Handsome Joe, though there I'd say the problem is age. Other than they the field is open for new blood. We know the Echo Chamber will have their smearing gloves on, but at least make them start from scratch.
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    Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

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    Assuming the Tyro Turd Tyrant survives the GOP renom,
    Franklin Pierce, right? The only person ever elected President who then became so hated by his party that he failed to be nominated the next time?
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    Franklin Pierce, right? The only person ever elected President who then became so hated by his party that he failed to be nominated the next time?
    Correct, the only one elected president. Four others have been sitting president but lost the nom, but they all succeeded to the presidency without election (which is a lot more believable why they couldn't swing the next nom).

    All 5 of those happened within one adult lifetime (1844 - 1884). Those were very interesting times for the presidency, and the Civil War being dead solid in the middle of the interval says something about the consequences of an unstable executive for the country.

    (I mean, it also says don't own human beings, nature will skull f-ck you from Natchez to Savannah and you will richly deserve it.)

    In 1889 there had been 16 presidents in the prior 50 years (#8-23). By comparison, in 2017 there have been 10 in the prior 50 (#36-45) -- 6 fewer.
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    There's nobody hated waiting in the wings. We'd have to nominate Kathy Griffin to be as tone deaf as last time.

    Assuming the Tyro Turd Tyrant survives the GOP renom, we just have to run somebody people aren't already sick to death of. That only takes a handful of names off the table: Bernie, Dean, any prior nominee. Maybe Handsome Joe, though there I'd say the problem is age. Other than they the field is open for new blood. We know the Echo Chamber will have their smearing gloves on, but at least make them start from scratch.
    We'll see. Handy hates Booker already and thinks Klobuchar can't win. Everyone seems to like Franken, but Franken will instill the greatest bile imaginable from the other side.
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    Everyone seems to like Franken, but Franken will instill the greatest bile imaginable from the other side.
    That would actually be glorious, because the alt-reich would so quickly degenerate from "The Elites" to (((the elites))) to "Jewish banksters " to DUH JEWZ!!!1!

    We've already seen the GOP get the most from 'phobes, racists and sexists. May as well let their anti-Semites get a turn.
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    Getting back to the Nevada experiment, this is something Dems absolutely should run on next year in state races. Big complaint about the ACA is if you make a little too much money for subsidies insurance is pricey in many areas. Having competition with a Medicaid accomplishes several things. First, it unites the various wings of the Dems. This is a step towards single payer but it also has an immediate impact of improving access to affordable insurance. Second it puts knuckledraggers in a tough spot, much like the original decision to accept the Medicaid expansion split the Kasichs and Sandovals of the world vs the Rick Scotts and Paul LePages.

    Dems need to ease off on grand policy proposals on a federal level next year and concentrate on Trump stupidity. However on a state level this is something they can enact on their own and should coalesce behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    That would actually be glorious, because the alt-reich would so quickly degenerate from "The Elites" to (((the elites))) to "Jewish banksters " to DUH JEWZ!!!1!

    We've already seen the GOP get the most from 'phobes, racists and sexists. May as well let their anti-Semites get a turn.
    Yeah, well, if the add the 'phobes, racists, and sexists to the anti-Semites how many is that? Cause they've been winning. A lot.
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    Yeah, well, if the add the 'phobes, racists, and sexists to the anti-Semites how many is that? Cause they've been winning. A lot.
    But they're all* solid GOP votes anyway. We lose nothing, and we expose the party as the scumbuckets they are.

    * The anti-Semites sometimes peel off on a quest for a minarchy where the currency is denominated by a combination of Krugerrands, ammo, and potassium iodine caplets
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    But they're all solid GOP votes anyway. We lose nothing, and we expose the party as the scumbuckets they are.
    That's the theory that I hope is finally tested for good in 2018 and 2020. Frankly, this lesson should have been learned with Nader.
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    We'll see. Handy hates Booker already and thinks Klobuchar can't win. Everyone seems to like Franken, but Franken will instill the greatest bile imaginable from the other side.
    I have hated Booker for a while and you are doubling down on the Derp if you put him forth. They wont be as nice to him as they were to Obama because he runs his mouth. (which is what I like about him oddly)

    You are on crack if you think Klobuchar has any chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Getting back to the Nevada experiment, this is something Dems absolutely should run on next year in state races. Big complaint about the ACA is if you make a little too much money for subsidies insurance is pricey in many areas. Having competition with a Medicaid accomplishes several things. First, it unites the various wings of the Dems. This is a step towards single payer but it also has an immediate impact of improving access to affordable insurance. Second it puts knuckledraggers in a tough spot, much like the original decision to accept the Medicaid expansion split the Kasichs and Sandovals of the world vs the Rick Scotts and Paul LePages.

    Dems need to ease off on grand policy proposals on a federal level next year and concentrate on Trump stupidity. However on a state level this is something they can enact on their own and should coalesce behind.
    Yep. Let the Liar in Chief destroy himself on the Federal level and just go after his policies at the State level. Fight the Derps on their own turf and make them answer to their own people.
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    I have hated Booker for a while and you are doubling down on the Derp if you put him forth. They wont be as nice to him as they were to Obama because he runs his mouth. (which is what I like about him oddly)

    You are on crack if you think Klobuchar has any chance.

    Thankfully there are more candidates than the 3 you can name
    Al Gore. John Kerry. Mrs. Hillary Clinton. And that's just since 2000. We'll see.
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    All 3 of whom were "The Heir Apparent". Just like Bob Dole and John McCain as well.
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