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  • #496
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    The amendment schedule is controlled by the majority leadership -- they'll only allow votes on what they want. The only real power the minority has is the threat of filibuster which is nullified under reconciliation.
    Well, then they lied which is going to make what they do interesting.
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    • #497
      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      If you're all wondering what happens after conference committee, I was too.



      They are doing all this under reconciliation to avoid the 60. That was what eventually killed the Senate version; the Parliamentarian found about a dozen violations of the reconciliation criteria. So they have to somehow come up with a bill that will pass the moderates in the Senate, the nutbars in the House, and still stay under reconciliation according to the Parliamentarian, and cut enough people from health insurance to pay for their tax cut for the rich which is the only purpose of this whole charade, all in the teeth of enormous public opposition and in the shadow of the drunkard's walk of Trump.

      Good luck.
      Wasn't PPACA passed under reconciliation under a straight party line vote?
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      • #498
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        My understanding is it's a motion to proceed to consider, which means debate. Under reconciliation cloture is triggered automatically after ten hours of debate after which they proceed directly to the vote, so this is the equivalent of passing the bill unless somebody actually changes their vote during the debate which doesn't happen because nobody in the history of any legislature has ever listened to the debate, even when they themselves are speaking. That's strictly a show for the rubes. The cynical threats and bribes, er, I mean intellectually and morally robust negotiations have already happened by the time of the motion to proceed.
        I thought a lot of didn't pass reconciliation rules though?

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        • #499
          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          Wasn't PPACA passed under reconciliation under a straight party line vote?
          nope. Straight party line vote, but it took 60 votes.

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          • #500
            Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

            John McCain is saying on the floor that he WILL NOT VOTE for the bill as proposed. That should kill it.
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            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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            • #501
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              Wasn't PPACA passed under reconciliation under a straight party line vote?
              Nope.

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              Rover Frenchy, Classic! Great post.
              iwh30 I wish I could be as smart as you. I really do you are the man
              gregg729 I just saw your sig, you do love having people revel in your "intelligence."
              Ritt18 you are the perfect representation of your alma mater.
              Miss Thundercat That's it, you win.
              TBA#2 I want to kill you and dance in your blood.
              DisplacedCornellian Hahaha. Thread over. Frenchy wins.

              Test to see if I can add this.

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              • #502
                Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                Well, then they lied which is going to make what they do interesting.
                Think of it this way. They just voted to proceed to debate. So now they have to debate. But debate what? I mean, which bill is this even going to be?

                They can allow amendments but they still need their 50 votes for the actual vote, so whatever goes into the sh-t sandwich can't peel any GOP vote off. The leadership just told their caucus "you don't have to worry about what's in the bill you're voting for because we're going to solve all the problems in committee" so they don't have to worry about actual consequences of this Senate bill because there are none, it's a cipher. But they do have to worry about optics and about the commercials their opponents will run against them in 2018, so McConnell can't allow any substantive amendment that would embarrass any of his Members to even get to a vote, much less be passed.
                Last edited by Kepler; 07-25-2017, 02:49 PM.
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                • #503
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  John McCain is saying on the floor that he WILL NOT VOTE for the bill as proposed. That should kill it.
                  John McCain while doing this is lying up and down about how Obamacare was passed.
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                  Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • #504
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    John McCain while doing this is lying up and down about how Obamacare was passed.
                    Given his brain cancer, he may not actually remember how Obamacare was passed. He may not be lying, he may simply be wrong.
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                    • #505
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                      Given his brain cancer, he may not actually remember how Obamacare was passed. He may not be lying, he may simply be wrong.
                      It is mind boggling to me how every Republican has forgotten that it was passed through regular order. It had debate, hearings, and many Republican Amendments.
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                      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                      • #506
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                        Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                        Given his brain cancer, he may not actually remember how Obamacare was passed. He may not be lying, he may simply be wrong.
                        Sorry I dont buy that. He has flunkies working for him they would have made sure he knew what he needed to say.

                        The factthat he is saying this at all makes me believe his "I will vote no as is" is BS and when his name is called he is voting "Yes". He is praying Heller, Collins and Rand Paul make his vote not matter.
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                        • #507
                          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                          Sorry I dont buy that. He has flunkies working for him they would have made sure he knew what he needed to say.

                          The factthat he is saying this at all makes me believe his "I will vote no as is" is BS and when his name is called he is voting "Yes". He is praying Heller, Collins and Rand Paul make his vote not matter.
                          He's going to vote yes. And I fear one of the other three will cave too.

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                          • #508
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                            Heller seems most likely to cave, and lives in a purple state with a big libertarian streak. Paul is an ideological nutcase in a state that is safely red, and Collins seems pretty firm on not de-funding women's health.

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                            • #509
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                              Pretty sure he did vote yes...

                              http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3355072

                              Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who announced a brain cancer diagnosis last week, returned to the floor to cast a yes vote.
                              As for the others
                              Republican Senators who had held off on previous versions of the bill, including Dean Heller of Nevada and Shelley Moore Capito, announced their support for a debate ahead of the anticipated vote.

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                              • #510
                                Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

                                Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                                Pretty sure he did vote yes...

                                http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3355072



                                As for the others
                                He voted yes to bring it to the floor. No one has voted yes on an actual Health Care Bill yet.
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                                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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