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    Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media, no politician in history has been treated worse or more unfairly..."

    Beautiful, poignant advice to give to the US Coast Guard Academy graduation.

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    Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gurtholfin View Post
    Christianity is not inherently bad.

    Humans have done very bad things in the name of Cristianity.


    Is there something in the bylaws/principles of communism that says kill lots of people?
    It's hidden in the perks section of the wiki description, not the bylaws.

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    Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by French Rage View Post
    "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media, no politician in history has been treated worse or more unfairly..."

    Beautiful, poignant advice to give to the US Coast Guard Academy graduation.
    The full quote, just in case you're interested.


    - Unfairly. Check.
    - I won. Check.
    He's got that punch list speech done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Just as frustrated.
    Too much power vested in one person.

    Congress is supposed to be leading. Article I is Legislative, not Executive, for a reason.
    I'm not a fan of an imperial executive either, but this is a whole different thing. This is execution of law, it falls rightly within the purview of the Executive Office of the President. In this case this is what the Founders had in mind.

    Congress can relegislative the scope, mission and means for the intelligence agencies to do their job, including explicit legislation on the handling of classified information. But in the absence of that, where the charter for the agency leaves this up to policy, it's within the president's executive powers.

    Trump is not only accidentally right in this, it's actually right that he's right. Congress can work the people's will with respect to classification guidelines any time it wants to. In the meantime, the agency, grounded in the president's authority, has to make the rules that run the railroad.
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    Poor Vladimir Putin tried to spike the football this morning by saying he'd be happy to give us a recording of Trump's conversation with the Russian diplomats, and it's not even going to make the front page.
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    They're just asking the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Wiki said Feb 9. (Probably approved vs. sworn in.)

    If you're going to impeach and remove a President you'd better have all the ducks in a row. You'd hate for someone to get off on a technicality. The three month gap is a question. As others speculated, we don't know if he informed DoJ "immediately" per the statute.
    An impeachment is not a judicial trial, it is political. The only ducks you have to worry about are the Senators who sit in judgment. And you have to convince 67 of them.

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    Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gurtholfin View Post
    Christianity is not inherently bad.

    Humans have done very bad things in the name of Cristianity.


    Is there something in the bylaws/principles of communism that says kill lots of people?
    There might as well be. Communism has NEVER been tried without enormous needless suffering; it's a feature of rigid central planning. It's frightening that people are already whitewashing a poisonous way of thinking and apparently thinking "if we do it right next time..." Read the Gulag Archipelago.
    Liberal socialism (preserving individual freedoms and party politics along with central planning) is not Communism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I'm not a fan of an imperial executive either, but this is a whole different thing.

    Trump is not only accidentally right in this, it's actually right that he's right. Congress can work the people's will with respect to classification guidelines any time it wants to. In the meantime, the agency, grounded in the president's authority, has to make the rules that run the railroad.
    The bolded may be one of the scarier aspects of this and it's missed.
    He either "blind squirrelled" this or he orchestrated it to troll the media (and keep them in a lather).
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    Skipping the boring communism discussion, the charges against Trump are 1) Obstruction of justice (telling Comey to back off, then firing him) and 2) Treason (collaborating with the Russians to influence election).

    We don't know the extent of the coordination between Russia and Trump people yet although I've never seen so many people from an American political campaign also being paid employees of the Russian govt at the same time. My guess is we won't know that unless Dems retake the House and do a real investigation.

    Obstruction of justice is now out of the bag and even GOP congress is forced to investigate. Trump had better not be taping his own conversations as well as that has doom written all over it. Most likely people in Trump's admin will have to testify under oath before Congress on Trump's involvement with the FBI's investigation. Given his personality, it would not surprise me in the least if he told people to get the FBI to end the inquiry. No, we don't have all the facts yet but if what Comey alleges is true (and why would he make that up?) how is this any different than Nixon having the CIA tell the FBI to back off the Watergate investigation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I think you're confusing a dictatorship with communism. Or rather, you aren't differentiating between a communist dictatorship and a communist ideology.
    But they are pretty inseparable. One leads to the other. And as an example, where does Marx say the bourgeoisie gives up their property voluntarily for the good of the state? He doesn't, because they won't. Which means the proletariat must seize their property by force. And as people are generally inclined to protect their homes and property, you're probably gonna have to kill or imprison them to take their stuff. Which as we've seen several times, is exactly the form this particular ideology takes. Just ask 65 million Chinese or 20 million Russians. (You can't. They're dead.)

    And even after that initial murdering is done, it continues, because Communism as some happy, "everybody is equal - no one is above anyone else" does not exist because for one, people are not wired that way and someone will always take power unchecked. Pretending the ideology when put into practice leads to something else that is good, is just that -- pretend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    There might as well be. Communism has NEVER been tried without enormous needless suffering; it's a feature of rigid central planning. It's frightening that people are already whitewashing a poisonous way of thinking and apparently thinking "if we do it right next time..." Read the Gulag Archipelago.
    Liberal socialism (preserving individual freedoms and party politics along with central planning) is not Communism.
    So getting back to the original reason this was brought up, do you personally think someone who chooses to identify with the Communist party is an inherently bad person? I'm assuming you would think so of someone who chooses to identify with the KKK.

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    Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    The full quote, just in case you're interested.


    - Unfairly. Check.
    - I won. Check.
    He's got that punch list speech done.
    Hey that's super. *****ing about the media and jerking yourself off is not proper content for a ****ing graduation speech to a military academy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer View Post
    Communism has NEVER been tried without enormous needless suffering
    The Cluniacs, Benedictines, Carthusians, Franciscans, and Cistercians called.

    But Proudhon had this all pegged as irrelevant 150 years ago. The future will neither be capitalist nor communist. Ancestor ideologies cannot predict descendant ideologies by definition: the Next Way is literally beyond the Current Way's imagination.

    Capitalism was a net positive stage for 400 years, not a bad record. Feudalism was useful for roughly the same amount of time before it began falling apart. Over the last century capitalism has exhausted its useful work and turned rancid, becoming a net negative, but that doesn't mean the next solution is in the past. Even the improvements that have been applied to try to save the system (social welfare systems) are just bandages on a dying limb.

    The people who will invent the next useful and productive economic system have probably not yet been born, and when they are they will probably come from places so peripheral we in the dogmatic part of the world will never even see them coming until they have laid us to rest.
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    Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gurtholfin View Post


    Is there something in the bylaws/principles of communism that says kill lots of people?
    Sorry, I'm too busy for this busy thread today but above I suggested the answer to that is yes, i.e. "Seize the means of production!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Sorry, I'm too busy for this busy thread today but above I suggested the answer to that is yes, i.e. "Seize the means of production!"
    Is that so much different than seizing King George's colonies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The Cluniacs, Benedictines, Carthusians, Franciscans, and Cistercians called.

    But Proudhon had this all pegged as irrelevant 150 years ago. The future will neither be capitalist nor communist. Ancestor ideologies cannot predict descendant ideologies by definition: the Next Way is literally beyond the Current Way's imagination.

    Capitalism was a net positive stage for 500 years, not a bad record. Over the last 100 it has turned rancid and become a net negative, but that doesn't mean the solution is in the past. The people who will invent the next useful and productive economic system haven't yet been born.
    And weren't they espousing socialism rather than communism? They wanted people to go out, earn whatever they were able, but then willingly share with their neighbors in the bonds of Christendom and God, if I understand correctly. That's not the same as communism, which is a forced system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by French Rage View Post
    Hey that's super. *****ing about the media and jerking yourself off is not proper content for a ****ing graduation speech to a military academy.
    Trump gonna Trump.


    PS - If that's all you read, you may have missed his message on perseverance. Then again, he doesn't have much personal experience to draw from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
    Sorry, I'm too busy for this busy thread today but above I suggested the answer to that is yes, i.e. "Seize the means of production!"
    https://pics.me.me/seize-the-ah-mean...s-18767801.png

    Seizure can be by peaceful means. We've done that in the past. Just as we decided people aren't farm equipment and stole the property the masters called slaves, just as we decided people aren't subjects and stole the property the aristocracy called "the kingdom," so might we decide people aren't "human resources" and steal the property the owners call "capital assets."

    At the end of the day the only way for the 1% to stop us is by paying large numbers of us to kill those of us who make that choice. What might happen instead is those would-be mercenaries might just tell the 1% they do not choose to die to protect an antiquated notion of property. And the world will keep turning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrinCDXX View Post
    Is that so much different than seizing King George's colonies?
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