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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    What's the charge? The President can declassify information and that's what he ham-handedly did. If that's a smart power to vest is another story.

    That's what I don't get. I keep hearing "impeach". What's the charge. Did he violate the tenure of office act? Did he order a break in at a DC hotel? Did he perjure himself to a grand jury? The closest might be "obstruction"; but, is "hope you can let this go" obstruction? Is there a prosecutor that'd take that on?

    The statute reads:



    Does "hope" meet that?

    Now if there's something other than "hope" ... file the charges.

    Being a self-absorbed, phony, smarmy ***** is not an impeachable charge. (If it was we'd have impeached far more elected officials from both sides.)


    Like I've said: I'm on manila envelope watch. The Comey memo(s)? That's not it. If there's real, irrefutable stuff it's going to show up on a Congressional Democrat's Georgetown townhome's front stoop one morning sooner or later.
    So it doesn't bother you that don released what used to be classified information to the russians? The same russians who can share data with Iran and Syria?

    The only thing you reply is that he can't be impeached for that? That's it?

    I was under the impression that the slight possibility that a handful of classified documents could be hacked by outside forces really bugged you about Hillary. This is outright handing classified information out. Not exactly on the same plane.

    Yea, he can't be impeached for instantly making something not classified by himself. But the actions are far, far, far, far, far worse than what Secretary Clinton did. Just technically more legal.

    And it ignores the thread on 1) the obstruction of justice that seems to be getting deeper and deeper and 2) the result of that investigation path. Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Now if there's something other than "hope" ... file the charges.
    He publicly admitted he fired Comey in an attempt to end the investigation. File the charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Mentioning those, what if the words in each don't match?

    Trump would be damaged: He's TAPING!

    Comey? Any shred of credibility would be gone.
    You do realize that it can easily be truthful, too.

    Right now, don is far better off shredding Comey. That should be pretty obvious. The fact that they can't, or have not, is interesting. They just say words.


    But if the tapes confirm what Comey allegedly memo'ed, well, don is cooked.

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    Not one of my normal news sites, but it was linked to on Fark:

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/05/...&ICID=ref_fark

    Essentially, Comey didn't keep memos of his meetings with Obama because Obama was truthful.

    Edit: link won't work cause it contains an expletive that is starred out here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    The man holds the magic declassification wand.
    Like I said, is that a smart power to vest?
    I don't have to like it, but it is what it is.
    This is like the Supreme Court: the President isn't final because he's infallible, he's infallible because he's final. Powers have to ground somewhere. The powers of executive agencies ground with the President. Classification is a power of an executive agency, ergo...

    But I ask for a thought experiment. Close your eyes (not before reading the rest of this post) and imagine all this is occurring with Obama in the White House.
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    Trump's own lawyers go to meeting with him in pairs so there's already a witness to his conversations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    That has nothing to do with the obstruction allegations, and you know it.
    As I asked, is "hope" obstruction? Would a prosecutor go with that?

    If there's more that meets the statute I cited, ... charge him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrinCDXX View Post
    Just because it's legal for the president to be careless with classified information doesn't make it not careless. The fact is, you were very vocal about Hillary's careless handling of classified information--and what do you do when Trump does the same? You defend him by playing legal scholar.
    Hillary didn't have the magic wand. Trump does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaizeRage View Post
    He publicly admitted he fired Comey in an attempt to end the investigation. File the charges.
    There's the impeachable charge. File it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    As I asked, is "hope" obstruction? Would a prosecutor go with that?

    If there's more that meets the statute I cited, ... charge him.
    As Maize said, he flat out admitted to firing Comey because of the Russia investigation during the Lester Holt interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Hillary didn't have the magic wand. Trump does.
    Which doesn't address the point I was making, and that alfa more eloquently made--and I suspect you know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Hillary didn't have the magic wand. Trump does.
    So you'd be fine with President Obama doing what Trump did? Bullshiat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    So it doesn't bother you that don released what used to be classified information to the russians?
    It bothers me fundamentally; however, he's the President. He can do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    So you'd be fine with President Obama doing what Trump did? Bullshiat.
    I'd be unhappy but President is President. I'm not in a position to change Federal law ... yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Hillary didn't have the magic wand. Trump does.
    So regardless of who is in power, you would be ok with classified information being passed on to people who should not have it, then.

    Good to know.

    I'll remember that in 2020 for the next President. Or perhaps in 2019 when Speaker Schumer becomes President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    But I ask for a thought experiment. Close your eyes (not before reading the rest of this post) and imagine all this is occurring with Obama in the White House.
    Just as frustrated.
    Too much power vested in one person.

    Congress is supposed to be leading. Article I is Legislative, not Executive, for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    Or perhaps in 2019 when Speaker Schumer becomes President.
    Chuck isn't giving up the senior Senator* slot from NY to go slummin' in the House.


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    Re: POTUS 45.09: How do I hate thee? Let me count the posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    It bothers me fundamentally; however, he's the President. He can do that.
    Not much, apparently. Just barely enough.

    The legal aspect of risking the exposure of classified documents vs. legally handing them over is the big deal.

    Not the actual act of risking classified information vs. just handing it over. The *risk* of illegally betraying the country is much worse than the actual legal act of betraying the country (as well as the source country).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    I'd be unhappy but President is President. I'm not in a position to change Federal law ... yet.
    But you are in the position to be as critical of his handling of sensitive information as you were oh so willing to be when the subject was Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Just as frustrated.
    Too much power vested in one person.

    Congress is supposed to be leading. Article I is Legislative, not Executive, for a reason.
    Yeah, we have three co-equal branches of government and one of them has to come first.

    Congress is not more powerful than the other 2.

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