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  • #31
    Re: You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up!

    Some good news (hopefully)... Ohio State considering a new 4,000 seat facility to house Men's and Women's Hockey...

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    • #32
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      Originally posted by FiveHoleFrenzy View Post
      Jeez, when you say it that way it sounds like the "seventeen" are kinda like boutique posters...
      We should have a Drive to Twenty in the fall.

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      • #33
        Re: You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up!

        Originally posted by Leather helmet View Post
        But seventeen posters on this board lamenting the lack of women's hockey at Michigan is no more or less silly than any of the other ways UM could spend their money.
        Originally posted by FiveHoleFrenzy View Post
        Jeez, when you say it that way it sounds like the "seventeen" are kinda like boutique posters...
        Originally posted by Leather helmet View Post
        We should have a Drive to Twenty in the fall.
        Can whoever started "the seventeen" please list them all?

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        • #34
          Re: You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up!

          Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
          Can whoever started "the seventeen" please list them all?

          Sean
          Are we like the dirty dozen??????

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          • #35
            Re: You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up!

            Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
            Can whoever started "the seventeen" please list them all?

            Sean
            The origins of the '17 posters' goes all the way back to 4/25/17 on the thread relating to North Dakota's decision to cut their women's program. It was intended as a term of derision, but we have proudly adopted it.

            We may only number 17, but we speak with the voice of 19 or so.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Leather helmet View Post
              In the majority of the states of this country, the top-paid public employee is either a football coach, or a basketball coach. The offensive coordinator at Alabama makes nearly a million dollars per year.
              Heck, the outside linebacker coach (not even the top defensive guy!) at Michigan is making $950,000.

              Saying it's getting out of hand is a complete understatement. :-(
              Russell Jaslow
              [Former] SUNYAC Correspondent
              U.S. College Hockey Online

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              • #37
                Re: You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up!

                Originally posted by Leather helmet View Post
                The origins of the '17 posters' goes all the way back to 4/25/17 on the thread relating to North Dakota's decision to cut their women's program. It was intended as a term of derision, but we have proudly adopted it.

                We may only number 17, but we speak with the voice of 19 or so.
                Yes, I have read and posted in that thread and I recall the original use of the "seventeen posters." I just want to know who they are as, unlike SJHovey, I:
                1) don't know who they are and I would like to; and
                2) I have never felt unwelcome here by anyone (except maybe Grant )

                Sean
                Women's Hockey East Champions 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2010
                Men's NCAA Champions 2009, 1995, 1978, 1972, 1971

                BU Hockey Games
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                • #38
                  Re: You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up!

                  Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                  Yes, I have read and posted in that thread and I recall the original use of the "seventeen posters." I just want to know who they are as, unlike SJHovey, I:
                  1) don't know who they are and I would like to; and
                  2) I have never felt unwelcome here by anyone (except maybe Grant )

                  Sean


                  If this turns out to be my legacy here at USCHO forums, it'll give me a pretty good chuckle.

                  I really wish I could go back in time and recall my state of mind as I typed that post. I remember the reaction I felt when I read the post telling me to basically blow because I wasn't a regular poster in the women's forums, which was basically, "Really?" Why the random number 17 popped into my head will be forever a mystery. But I like it.
                  That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                  • #39
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                    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                    Care to elaborate on these "ethical" issues? If not, I'll assume this is just more of your nonsensical gibberish.
                    Sure. They should never, ever have accepted the donations from Ralph Engelstad, let alone gone along with naming a building after him, under the circumstances he was facing, nor with the conditions he insisted upon. You're talking about someone who ran a casino in Las Vegas in the days when you had to have mob connections to run a casino in Vegas. His first donation to renovate the old hockey arena was timed so as to bail Engelstad out of a PR nightmare, with the Nevada State Gaming Commission debating whether to suspend his gaming license for celebrating Hitler's birthday and making bumper stickers saying "Hitler Was Right." They accepted the $100 million donation in 1998 despite conditions that meant that Engelstad retained control of the public image of the arena and the university.

                    When you're fund raising, you have to be willing to walk away from a donation, no matter how large, under conditions like that. If you don't, you assume all of the baggage of the person making the donation. That's what happens when you sell your name. UND wasn't prepared to do that, so they own the ethical quagmire that was Ralph Engelstad.

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                    • #40
                      Re: You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up!

                      Originally posted by Eeyore View Post
                      Sure. They should never, ever have accepted the donations from Ralph Engelstad, let alone gone along with naming a building after him, under the circumstances he was facing, nor with the conditions he insisted upon. You're talking about someone who ran a casino in Las Vegas in the days when you had to have mob connections to run a casino in Vegas. His first donation to renovate the old hockey arena was timed so as to bail Engelstad out of a PR nightmare, with the Nevada State Gaming Commission debating whether to suspend his gaming license for celebrating Hitler's birthday and making bumper stickers saying "Hitler Was Right." They accepted the $100 million donation in 1998 despite conditions that meant that Engelstad retained control of the public image of the arena and the university.

                      When you're fund raising, you have to be willing to walk away from a donation, no matter how large, under conditions like that. If you don't, you assume all of the baggage of the person making the donation. That's what happens when you sell your name. UND wasn't prepared to do that, so they own the ethical quagmire that was Ralph Engelstad.
                      I've read that his fortune was made in Las Vegas/Nevada real estate. Are you saying that that is not correct? Or that one (the cash flow from the casino) was the facilitator of the other?

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                      • #41
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                        Originally posted by Blackbeard View Post
                        I've read that his fortune was made in Las Vegas/Nevada real estate. Are you saying that that is not correct? Or that one (the cash flow from the casino) was the facilitator of the other?
                        Engelstad ran a construction company in Las Vegas, and also speculated in real estate. He used the money from that to buy a motel on the Strip in 1967, and then bought the Flamingo Capri in 1971. In 1972, he added a casino to it. It was renamed The Imperial Palace in 1979.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Eeyore View Post
                          Engelstad ran a construction company in Las Vegas, and also speculated in real estate. He used the money from that to buy a motel on the Strip in 1967, and then bought the Flamingo Capri in 1971. In 1972, he added a casino to it. It was renamed The Imperial Palace in 1979.
                          As usual there is ALWAYS more to the story

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Eeyore View Post
                            Engelstad ran a construction company in Las Vegas, and also speculated in real estate. He used the money from that to buy a motel on the Strip in 1967, and then bought the Flamingo Capri in 1971. In 1972, he added a casino to it. It was renamed The Imperial Palace in 1979.
                            The Imperial Palace (which supposedly represents a swastika from above) housed an auto museum (an extremely good one as a matter of fact) which had in its collection one of the original Hitler parade cars, complete with bullet holes, put there by British troops (just for the fun of it) when Berlin fell. That car was only one of two in the collection that was displayed with a complete diorama, which included Hitler standing in the car waving to the crowd.

                            Make of that information what you will...

                            [I've stayed in the Imperial Palace and went to the museum (free for hotel guests). Nice hotel and excellent museum. Then again, I didn't know all the history behind it until many years later...]
                            Russell Jaslow
                            [Former] SUNYAC Correspondent
                            U.S. College Hockey Online

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                            • #44
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                              I don't fault UND at all for getting involved with Engelstad. By all accounts, he was an unsavory character, but he was THEIR unsavory character. He came to them offering to build what was then (and still may be) the finest facility in all of college hockey, turning a recruiting deficit into a huge recruiting advantage.

                              Engelstad's money is not tainted in any official way, and there is no question that much good has come from that donation. As much as I enjoy seeing the Gophers beat the Fighting Flickertails up there (it has happened, you know), I don't begrudge them their Taj Mahal on the prairie.

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                              • #45
                                Re: You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up!

                                Originally posted by Eeyore View Post
                                Sure. They should never, ever have accepted the donations from Ralph Engelstad, let alone gone along with naming a building after him, under the circumstances he was facing, nor with the conditions he insisted upon. You're talking about someone who ran a casino in Las Vegas in the days when you had to have mob connections to run a casino in Vegas. His first donation to renovate the old hockey arena was timed so as to bail Engelstad out of a PR nightmare, with the Nevada State Gaming Commission debating whether to suspend his gaming license for celebrating Hitler's birthday and making bumper stickers saying "Hitler Was Right." They accepted the $100 million donation in 1998 despite conditions that meant that Engelstad retained control of the public image of the arena and the university.

                                When you're fund raising, you have to be willing to walk away from a donation, no matter how large, under conditions like that. If you don't, you assume all of the baggage of the person making the donation. That's what happens when you sell your name. UND wasn't prepared to do that, so they own the ethical quagmire that was Ralph Engelstad.
                                Yeah, when this was asked about earlier you would have thought it was obvious that Engelstad was the central figure in the "ethical issues". But as Leather Helmet points out he is THEIR shady guy and the palace on the prairie is there for them to make rationalizations about.
                                Last edited by FiveHoleFrenzy; 05-15-2017, 09:47 AM.
                                At the outset, we could hang with the dude...

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