Holy Cross Joining Hockey East For 2018-2019 Season

[Sieve1]

Crusaders no more?

http://www.wbjournal.com/article/201...usaders-mascot

Kind of jumping on the pc bandwagon. Most people I know in the HC community aren’t in favor or a name change. Hope they don’t change it!

[TonyTheTiger20]

Kind of jumping on the pc bandwagon. Most people I know in the HC community aren’t in favor or a name change. Hope they don’t change it!

To be fair, the Crusades were pretty terrible.

[giwan]

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To be fair, the Crusades were pretty terrible.

Oh they weren't that bad, might depend what side you were on

[TonyTheTiger20]

Oh they weren't that bad, might depend what side you were on

Yeah no they were pretty bad lol

[Eeyore]

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Calling your team the "Crusaders" is identical to calling it the "Jihadists." If and only if you'd be okay with the latter can you criticize anyone for jumping on the PC bandwagon here.

[Sieve1]

Calling your team the "Crusaders" is identical to calling it the "Jihadists." If and only if you'd be okay with the latter can you criticize anyone for jumping on the PC bandwagon here.

What I am ok with is a private, Catholic school choosing their own name, and if they choose to keep Crusaders then so be it. Similar issues were raised a few years ago when they thought about changing the name of the student newspaper, The Crusader. It wasn’t changed.
Besides, most people at HC call them the ‘Saders anyway

[Arafel]

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Kind of jumping on the pc bandwagon. Most people I know in the HC community aren’t in favor or a name change. Hope they don’t change it!

As an alum, I like the idea of changing the name.

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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Raging Rosaries...
Fighting Virgins...Or Fighting Nuns...
Mighty Mustard Seeds...
Bread Breakers...
Confessionals...

[ARM]

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Calling your team the "Crusaders" is identical to calling it the "Jihadists."

"Identical" is a stretch. Crusade is a word that exists in our language for other purposes (e.g., Mom is on a crusade to get the family to eat healthier.) Yes, it does have bad connotations if you go back enough generations, and that might be a reason to change. But in a logic sense, your "if and only if" doesn't fly.

[Eeyore]

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"Identical" is a stretch. Crusade is a word that exists in our language for other purposes (e.g., Mom is on a crusade to get the family to eat healthier.) Yes, it does have bad connotations if you go back enough generations, and that might be a reason to change. But in a logic sense, your "if and only if" doesn't fly.

"Jihad" has other purposes in Muslim cultures, too, many of the same alternative meanings as "crusade" has in English. And saying that it has bad connotations if you go back far enough, and holding that in opposition to "jihad" ignores that the word "crusades" continues to have exactly those connotations in other cultures. Your argument rests upon considering the question only from the point of view of largely white, largely Christian people of European descent.

Yes, identical.

[TonyTheTiger20]

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"Identical" is a stretch. Crusade is a word that exists in our language for other purposes

Oh my God ARM you can't be serious with this take

[Timothy A]

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Calling your team the "Crusaders" is identical to calling it the "Jihadists."

What a pile of crap.

[ARM]

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Oh my God ARM you can't be serious with this take

Sure I can. You went to a Catholic school so you think of the Crusades. I was growing up in the 70s, so when I hear Crusaders, I think of the jazz group. I'm not saying I think it is a great name. It's just no worse than Fighting Irish, Fighting Illini, Lord Jeffs, or any other weird names that are out there that can be viewed as offensive to someone. PS -- slow down and use punctuation.

As for Eeyore, it is not identical, because we aren't talking about a Muslim culture or language, so jihadist is not used for other purposes in this context. Mathematically, identical means the same in every way.

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Sure I can. You went to a Catholic school so you think of the Crusades. I was growing up in the 70s, so when I hear Crusaders, I think of the jazz group. I'm not saying I think it is a great name. It's just no worse than Fighting Irish, Fighting Illini, Lord Jeffs, or any other weird names that are out there that can be viewed as offensive to someone. PS -- slow down and use punctuation.

As for Eeyore, it is not identical, because we aren't talking about a Muslim culture or language, so jihadist is not used for other purposes in this context. Mathematically, identical means the same in every way.

ARM, Holy Cross isn't using it in any other context, they are using it in the context of the fking Crusades. Come on.

[Eeyore]

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As for Eeyore, it is not identical, because we aren't talking about a Muslim culture or language, so jihadist is not used for other purposes in this context. Mathematically, identical means the same in every way.

Yes, it is identical. To argue otherwise is to say that these other cultures, who actually have a presence in most American states, including Massachusetts, don't matter. It is an argument to ignorance, that because Americans don't understand other cultures, that they are absolved from the consequences of what they say. There is no difference between Holy Cross calling themselves the Crusaders and a high school in Dearborn, MI or Paterson, NJ calling themselves the Jihadists.

Edit: Also, language isn't mathematics, so citing a mathematical definition of "identical" is irrelevant.