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    19-20 recruit Dara Greig has made the Canadian U18 roster. So has Grace Shirley, the little sis of still a UW recruit as far as we know it Sophie Shirley. I would love to see both Shirleys in the Cardinal and White. UW has only 11 F for 19-20 & 20-21 on the books at this time, so there is a spot open for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveHoleFrenzy View Post
    What your western elitism won't let you mention O'Brien from Massachusetts???
    Casey is fun to watch. Absolutely flies all over the ice. When she learns to score, watch out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCAlum View Post
    Casey is fun to watch. Absolutely flies all over the ice. When she learns to score, watch out!
    Oh great, another player who will underwhelm with scoring, hopefully that is not the case. Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    Yeah, I fell asleep at the wheel on that one. Too new of a recruit. I shouldn't forget her because I can rub her in Grant's face if need be.
    Might want to check and see if she is ok with that first

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    Quote Originally Posted by ne7minder View Post
    Might want to check and see if she is ok with that first
    That was a bit of an awkward sentence he wrote...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveHoleFrenzy View Post
    That was a bit of an awkward sentence he wrote...
    People who live on tunnels are so literal. You need more vitamin D. Or maybe not.
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    Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton:
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    Timothy A --> Great hockey mind... Or Greatest hockey mind?!?"

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    Not sure if this is the right thread to post this or not but, I noticed that ZERO players from the WCHA were included in the NWHL draft last night. I know the usual suspects (Pankowski and Clark from UW and Pannek from UM) are not eligible because they are part of their respected national teams but, wow! Not one other eligible incoming senior from the WCHA was good enough?? hmmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rangersrule View Post
    Not sure if this is the right thread to post this or not but, I noticed that ZERO players from the WCHA were included in the NWHL draft last night. I know the usual suspects (Pankowski and Clark from UW and Pannek from UM) are not eligible because they are part of their respected national teams but, wow! Not one other eligible incoming senior from the WCHA was good enough?? hmmmm...
    The answer to this is very simple to explain. First, If you count Sweden, Finland, USA, Canada, Switzerland, etc, many of the top WCHA seniors draft eligible are going to be playing this year with their respective countries. Second, a former Wisconsin player signed this year for $3000 yes 3K. The pay scale generally runs from 3K to 30K (Hilary Knight) which is minuscule. Getting what for the most part are midwest girls to go out east and play for peanuts is not very attractive to many girls in the WCHA. Third, the Minnesota Whitecaps. This team is as good as any and probably the best in women's hockey. Girls can stay home, pursue careers and still play college teams on the weekend at the highest level. Fourth, Europe! Many girls choose to go play in Europe to gain experience and see the world. I believe the WCHA defenseman of the year is playing in Sweden next year and Stalder is playing in China next year.

    And last, the double edge sword that did so much good may be the end. The USA Women's team getting "paid" was an amazing thing for equality and women's rights, as well as a wonderful way to bring attention to the equality situation. However, in all honesty the WHL was an avenue for some girls to continue their hockey careers as well as keep themselves relevant in the USA player pool. I believe that many players will not choose the WHL moving forward, finding it difficult to compete with a select few that will get paid year round to train. Girls making 10K to play in the WHL will have to work, and I believe the main point of the USA team getting "paid" was so they did not have to work, making it almost impossible for a WHL player not in the player pool to compete. Thus weakening the league, creating a smaller player pool of talent and perhaps putting it in danger. I hope not, women's hockey has come a long way. I wish the could make 300K a year. With no sponsors and small attendance this may have the opposite effect of what everyone thinks. Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by upfromtheminors View Post
    The answer to this is very simple to explain. First, If you count Sweden, Finland, USA, Canada, Switzerland, etc, many of the top WCHA seniors draft eligible are going to be playing this year with their respective countries. Second, a former Wisconsin player signed this year for $3000 yes 3K. The pay scale generally runs from 3K to 30K (Hilary Knight) which is minuscule. Getting what for the most part are midwest girls to go out east and play for peanuts is not very attractive to many girls in the WCHA. Third, the Minnesota Whitecaps. This team is as good as any and probably the best in women's hockey. Girls can stay home, pursue careers and still play college teams on the weekend at the highest level. Fourth, Europe! Many girls choose to go play in Europe to gain experience and see the world. I believe the WCHA defenseman of the year is playing in Sweden next year and Stalder is playing in China next year.

    And last, the double edge sword that did so much good may be the end. The USA Women's team getting "paid" was an amazing thing for equality and women's rights, as well as a wonderful way to bring attention to the equality situation. However, in all honesty the WHL was an avenue for some girls to continue their hockey careers as well as keep themselves relevant in the USA player pool. I believe that many players will not choose the WHL moving forward, finding it difficult to compete with a select few that will get paid year round to train. Girls making 10K to play in the WHL will have to work, and I believe the main point of the USA team getting "paid" was so they did not have to work, making it almost impossible for a WHL player not in the player pool to compete. Thus weakening the league, creating a smaller player pool of talent and perhaps putting it in danger. I hope not, women's hockey has come a long way. I wish the could make 300K a year. With no sponsors and small attendance this may have the opposite effect of what everyone thinks. Time will tell.
    Good observations and I agree with most of what you said. I will point out however that the only countries that centralize their national teams for the Olympics are USA and Canada. All the other countries you referenced and then some-- Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Russia, Germany, etc. don't centralized meaning that those players that are still in college all will be playing on their respective college teams this season right up until the Olympics and then again after the Olympic games are completed. With the depth the 2 power house WCHA teams have shown over the last 2 years or so one would have thought that those depth players would be chosen instead of some others picked in the draft. The point you make about mid-west players not signing with a NWHL team because they would be paid peanuts does make sense though! Players that live out east are probably easier to sign by the teams that picked them instead of wasting a draft pick on someone who won't sign anyway.

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    Agree on the girls from Europe not getting centralized. I kind of got sidetracked on that point and I meant to add that most of the Europeans don't have interest in the NWHL

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    In general, you'll only see women playing in the NWHL that are based out east, since they don't make enough to pay for housing, etc ... Courtney Burke and Jenny Ryan are both from NY, but most of the WCHA gals are midwest-based, making a move out east unlikely and expensive. There are obviously exceptions, but that's sort of the general rule. Players making that jump/move have either secured a job somewhere or are being supported by other means.

    There's more behind-the-scenes communication going on than you'd imagine in regards to that draft, so the teams/league know which players are interested and would consider moving out there and which they shouldn't waste their draft picks on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMH View Post
    In general, you'll only see women playing in the NWHL that are based out east, since they don't make enough to pay for housing, etc ... Courtney Burke and Jenny Ryan are both from NY, but most of the WCHA gals are midwest-based, making a move out east unlikely and expensive. There are obviously exceptions, but that's sort of the general rule. Players making that jump/move have either secured a job somewhere or are being supported by other means.

    There's more behind-the-scenes communication going on than you'd imagine in regards to that draft, so the teams/league know which players are interested and would consider moving out there and which they shouldn't waste their draft picks on.
    It's bummer to see playing careers end due to geography. I lament there is not a NWHL team in SE WI, I would like to see them play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    It's bummer to see playing careers end due to geography. I lament there is not a NWHL team in SE WI, I would like to see them play.
    There is no way you would enjoy one of these games. They do not have the budget to send a band.

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    There is no way you would enjoy one of these games. They do not have the budget to send a band.
    Well, I could live with it I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    Well, I could live with it I guess.
    China is investing significant dollars into the CWHL. They've entered 2 teams into the league for the upcoming season and apparently will be paying expenses for every North American team to fly there once per season to play. In a perfect world there would be 1 women's league and they could centralize marketing, sponsorships, scheduling, travel bookings, etc.

    if you only had 1 professional league then you might be able to envision an East and a West conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Aren't the women the most successful team on campus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    They and the volleyball team are powers, though VB hasn't won any NCAA hardware, they are a perennial ncaa top 10 team. The VB team probably averages 5000 in attendance per match, so they get the band for every game.
    Keep in mind that that's just the Sheffield era. I don't know what it was like in the early 2000s - I know there was a previous wave of success/support - but average attendance skyrocketed from a little below 3500 to selling out many matches per year. The selling out of games only started after that first final four appearance.

    The band has always been a fixture, even before that. (Unfortunately, the team's popularity killed the student section that would stand next to it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    People who live on tunnels are so literal. You need more vitamin D. Or maybe not.
    they don't live in tunnels, it's a hole
    Vitamin D won't cure their problem
    excuse me for being so literal

    Quote Originally Posted by GTOWN View Post

    if you only had 1 professional league then you might be able to envision an East and a West conference.
    there is a fair chance there will only be one league, what is the likelihood any of the US players will play for the NWHL now that team USA is paying them? what are the chances anybody will play in that league, it isn't even a Canadian 80 cent dollar, it's maybe 50 cents for an NWHL dollar, maybe, it could be nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by upfromtheminors View Post

    And last, the double edge sword that did so much good may be the end. The USA Women's team getting "paid" was an amazing thing for equality and women's rights, as well as a wonderful way to bring attention to the equality situation. However, in all honesty the WHL was an avenue for some girls to continue their hockey careers as well as keep themselves relevant in the USA player pool. I believe that many players will not choose the WHL moving forward, finding it difficult to compete with a select few that will get paid year round to train. Girls making 10K to play in the WHL will have to work, and I believe the main point of the USA team getting "paid" was so they did not have to work, making it almost impossible for a WHL player not in the player pool to compete. Thus weakening the league, creating a smaller player pool of talent and perhaps putting it in danger. I hope not, women's hockey has come a long way. I wish the could make 300K a year. With no sponsors and small attendance this may have the opposite effect of what everyone thinks. Time will tell.
    people objected to me saying during "the strike" that the strike was a result of the NWHL cutting their pay in half, but then most people around here object to the truth, so that is expected

    the NWHL is dead
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    Canadian players are playing in the CWHL and they get "paid". If its the top league in the world then the top players will want to play in it......

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTOWN View Post
    Canadian players are playing in the CWHL and they get "paid". If its the top league in the world then the top players will want to play in it......
    For the TOP American players, it depends on how much they're paid, and how that amount - net of the expenses they must assume - compares to what they know they'll earn as being part of the USA National Team. Even if the CWHL paid equally well, or even a little more, I would expect for these top players just the prestige of being part of the National Team - and the realistic hope of representing their country in the next Olympics - would be the deciding factor.
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