POTUS 45.08: Suckers

[Kepler]

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When a Republican has lost these guys, he is having a suboptimal presidency.

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'm sure every possible plan, policy and procedure has been articulated already. The problem isn't ideas, it's working them through the political system in a way where it's not in a significant minority's interest to torpedo negotiations.

The politicians aren't the problem, they are responding rationally to their constituents. I would like to see leaders of the three rational quadrants form a coalition where they mutually agree not to attack each other and to defend one another against the attacks of the crazy quadrant. This has a hope of working now because the GOP is in power -- obviously it would be far more difficult with the Dems in power because then informed conservatives would be understandably suspicious of the Dem government's motives. What we can do now is craft compromise measures where the government stays open and addresses the most critical and immediate problems with compromise centrist solutions. This can be done in odd-numbered years (even-numbered years are elections so there's very little hope of working across the aisle).

I suggest we trial run it right here. If a few dozen hockey fans who are highly demographically homogeneous can't find solutions, the country as a whole probably can't, but if we can then maybe there's hope.

We balanced the budget a few years ago using the NY Times calculator. If all the ideas have been articulated then the media is doing a horrible job of reporting cause we never hear of them. And if that's part of lobbying where ideas are silenced then the country is over already so just forget it.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Trump surrenders on campaign promises, sells out his supporters. http://nypost.com/2017/04/25/trump-p...ment-shutdown/

Democrats should be treated exactly the same as terrorists. No negotiations. They are vile rodents that do not compromise.

[St. Clown]

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Good news! Trump's not going to force Congress into appropriating funds for the USA to build a wall that does nothing to secure our borders yet adds (hundreds of?) billions of dollars to our budget.

"That's a good news day, Jim!"

[Kepler]

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We balanced the budget a few years ago using the NY Times calculator. If all the ideas have been articulated then the media is doing a horrible job of reporting cause we never hear of them. And if that's part of lobbying where ideas are silenced then the country is over already so just forget it.

Well, the only way to really fix Congress is to criminalize the bribery that is given the dignified styling of "campaign contributions." Unfortunately the current Court enshrines (ridiculously) bribery as protected speech. That is the Plessy decision that must be overturned, if possible eventually by Amendment so it can never return.

[Kepler]

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Media may not ask real questions anymore, but the kids are alright.

It is remarkable that none of these guys can stand up to even slight scrutiny. For a group that likes to play the Tough Guy, they turn out to be very fragile snowflakes.

[aparch]

Reality 96 Trump 0

"Fierce Democratic Opposition"

Wait, what?

Aren't the Democrats the minority in the house and Senate? Shouldn't the Republicans be able to just rubber stamp whatever sh*t they want?

[ScoobyDoo]

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Media may not ask real questions anymore, but the kids are alright.

It is remarkable that none of these guys can stand up to even slight scrutiny. For a group that likes to play the Tough Guy, they turn out to be very fragile snowflakes.

Yet, the woman who took all the scrutiny any country could muster couldn't get elected and is considered by Switzerland to be equivalent to the current President.

Amazing, isn't it?

[Kepler]

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Aren't the Democrats the minority in the house and Senate? Shouldn't the Republicans be able to just rubber stamp whatever sh*t they want?

Appropriations still have to clear 60 to invoke cloture in the Senate, so the Dems can stop the funding bill.

IINM Roll Call did an informal poll of senators after McConnell went nuclear on Gorsuch, and about 75% opposed messing with the legislative cloture barrier.

[Kepler]

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Good news! Trump's not going to force Congress into appropriating funds for the USA to build a wall that does nothing to secure our borders yet adds (hundreds of?) billions of dollars to our budget.

http://dr35ey0x3otoq.cloudfront.net/...dac5005b74.png

[rufus]

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Step in line with my views, or be burned at the stake. That's the translation I see.

And the pizza joint was BS, we all know it. Don't lump me in with those folks.

"Those folks" are the same ones spewing the nonsense about the Clinton Foundation and the "shadow shenanigans" that you're talking about. So yeah, you are lumped in with those folks.

[St. Clown]

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http://dr35ey0x3otoq.cloudfront.net/...dac5005b74.png

And still of a higher quality than the furniture provided at my new office. Well, it'll be a year I've been here in ten days or so.

[Handyman]

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Reality 96 Trump 0

To be honest it was the smarter move for him. This week his tax reform comes out (the one thing he is touting now that Health Care failed miserably) and you cant cut taxes at the rates he plans too AND go into hock building a wall. The only thing worse than a horrid first 100 days is to have a government shutdown followed by a massive recession.

[French Rage]

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To be honest it was the smarter move for him. This week his tax reform comes out (the one thing he is touting now that Health Care failed miserably) and you cant cut taxes at the rates he plans too AND go into hock building a wall. The only thing worse than a horrid first 100 days is to have a government shutdown followed by a massive recession.

There's Session's idea to get rid of tax credits he claims are primarily going to illegal Mexicans, along with deporting said Mexicans so they will no longer be paying taxes, which all coalesces into a plan where I personally see no logical holes at all.

[Kepler]

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To be honest it was the smarter move for him. This week his tax reform comes out (the one thing he is touting now that Health Care failed miserably) and you cant cut taxes at the rates he plans too AND go into hock building a wall. The only thing worse than a horrid first 100 days is to have a government shutdown followed by a massive recession.

Oh I agree. I'm not knocking Trump for this at all. This is his implicit acknowledgement that there is no path to funding for the wall right now. That's progress.

But if I was one of the fine people who voted for Trump because he'd build the wall...