REPORT: North Dakota cutting women's hockey

[ne7minder]

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Sean

WOW! Thanks that is a lot of work & I appreciate your digging into it. I think it is only right that we recommend UND cut men's hockey in order to save the institution all that money. Where do these freeloaders get off thinking they can livre on the taxpayers dime like this?

[pokechecker]

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thing is, who in the US outside of ND or in Canada would ever of heard of UND if not for their men's hockey program?

and there it is, if they had to pay for all the media space they get for their hockey team it would be anybody's guess what the total comes to as an average per year, but fair to say it is a lot $$$$$$

same with Clarkson, how can they justify putting a hockey team of Canucks together? well, they can't, unless it puts the school name in the media

[FireKnight]

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Sean

That's some interesting information Sean. I wonder if the "lease" fees for the Ralph are part of a shell game to put money somewhere else.

[FireKnight]

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thing is, who in the US outside of ND or in Canada would ever of heard of UND if not for their men's hockey program?

and there it is, if they had to pay for all the media space they get for their hockey team it would be anybody's guess what the total comes to as an average per year, but fair to say it is a lot $$$$$$

same with Clarkson, how can they justify putting a hockey team of Canucks together? well, they can't, unless it puts the school name in the media

The hockey teams at Clarkson have been a big source of donations and yes, it gets the name out there. As far as a "team of Canucks", it's no secret that CCT appeals more to the Canadian players due to us just about being in Canada and the small town atmosphere that is more comfortable to some of the Canadian players.

[pokechecker]

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Minnesota did announce it was cutting both golf programs and men's gymnastics years back, and then funding emerged and the programs were saved. I'd guess that North Dakota has fewer sources from which it can seek such a bailout. Maybe Marvin Windows can sponsor the team. The problem is that Grand Forks isn't that big, and outside of UND, hockey isn't that big of a deal in most of the state

and there is the problem, not much in ND to pick up the tab, and we know the cheapskate Canadians won't kick in a dime
that's the problem with filling your team with Canadians or Europeans, especially women, they do not stick around, rather go back home

The hockey teams at Clarkson have been a big source of donations and yes, it gets the name out there. As far as a "team of Canucks", it's no secret that CCT appeals more to the Canadian players due to us just about being in Canada and the small town atmosphere that is more comfortable to some of the Canadian players.

I'd be willing to bet the team does nothing to boost attendance of Canadians, nor increase donations among Canadians
I'm sure there occasional exceptions, but typically as mentioned above, they do not become a part of the community

[EPIC97]

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It's called a student visa. When you are done with school you have to return to your homeland.

[Sean Pickett]

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WOW! Thanks that is a lot of work & I appreciate your digging into it. I think it is only right that we recommend UND cut men's hockey in order to save the institution all that money. Where do these freeloaders get off thinking they can livre on the taxpayers dime like this?

Thanks, I hope to have the complete information up within a week. Minnesota & Wisconsin are spending a lot of money to stay at the top of the women's programs.

That's some interesting information Sean. I wonder if the "lease" fees for the Ralph are part of a shell game to put money somewhere else.

I think that is unlikely. Starting 2015 that category stipulates it is for debt service, leases and rental fees on athletic facilities regardless of who is paying.

(I would really like to see the men’s 2016 financials to see if some of the debt service/leases cost was shifted from the men’s team)

I'm still working on entering a lot of data from one site, but I was on the UND athletic site today and looking around I found their 2016 NCAA Financial Report. I have updated the workbook with the additional information for 2016. The men increased ticket sales another $145 thousand, but the university provided direct support of almost $200 thousand (Rob Port specifically mentioned the direct support of the women's team). Contributions fell back to what they were in 2010, '11 & '13 (as an aside, BU is having a giving day today and as I write this the women's team has received $19,264 and the men's team has received $143,351 in contribution in the last 19 hours). Overall revenue dropped for the men by $250 thousand, even with the direct support payment by the university. On the expenses side athletic aid rose over $100 thousand, travel went up $145 thousand, and uniforms and equipment went up $60 thousand, but game day expenses dropped $450 thousand. The cost of using the Ralph dropped to $1.06 million from $2.23 million in 2015 (if you include the women's $400 thousand the total cost was $1.46 million, still over $600 thousand less). UND also started paying for athletes meals, a relatively modest $37,860 for the men, although that is 10 times what the school paid for the women (I guess the men eat 10 times as much as the women ). Overall expenses for the men dropped over $1.6 million from 2015, but, even with the direct support they ran a loss of over $163 thousand and a loss for the sixth time in the the last seven years.

Sean

[FireKnight]

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and there is the problem, not much in ND to pick up the tab, and we know the cheapskate Canadians won't kick in a dime
that's the problem with filling your team with Canadians or Europeans, especially women, they do not stick around, rather go back home



I'd be willing to bet the team does nothing to boost attendance of Canadians, nor increase donations among Canadians
I'm sure there occasional exceptions, but typically as mentioned above, they do not become a part of the community

The success of the men's team has a direct effect on donations. We've yet to have enough evidence to see if the success of the women's team increases donations. As far as a "part of the community", the women's team is VERY active in the Potsdam community.

[pokechecker]

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The success of the men's team has a direct effect on donations. We've yet to have enough evidence to see if the success of the women's team increases donations. As far as a "part of the community", the women's team is VERY active in the Potsdam community.

I meant stick around after their playing days are over

[Timothy A]

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So it seams like there is some sort of attempt to fight the shutdown, but the UND Prez said cuts are final. Interesting, I doubt there is enough public opinion in ND to turn the tide, from what I have ready anyway.

[dave1381]

I didn't even mean regarding NoDak's finances -- I just mean that now that this announcement has been made, and recruits are going elsewhere, and players are transferring out, it's probably too late for the university to change course even if it wanted to. No one would want to play for that program now.

That was my initial thought too, but seems enough of them have limited options that increases the chance for a real fight.

https://www.si.com/nhl/2017/04/05/university-north-dakota-womens-hockey-cut?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

[FireKnight]

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I meant stick around after their playing days are over

How many players stick around their college town after their playing days are over? For that matter, how many college students do?

[KTDC]

Secretary General of the German Hockey Federation email to Kennedy and Faison at UND:

pic.twitter.com/jh3d8KPfyL

(I think you have to cut and paste my link)

[vicb]

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Secretary General of the German Hockey Federation email to Kennedy and Faison at UND:

pic.twitter.com/jh3d8KPfyL

(I think you have to cut and paste my link)

No cut and paste required.

https://twitter.com/SchlossmanGF/sta...25947445293056

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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Asking UND to reinstate the program is useless without...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-mOKMq19zU