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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreNDHockey View Post
    And these are the kinds of people having babies. I understand being optimistic is a happier way to live your life but why anyone believes we are not completely and utterly f-cked is beyond me. In the 70s people were smart enough to scrape the "Nixon" bumper stickers off their cars. It got so that you couldn't find a person who claimed to have voted for him, despite him getting something like twice as many votes as McGovern. You think the morons in the story rufus linked are ever coming around? Ain't gonna happen.
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    I saw a Hillary for Prison 2016 bumper sticker today. When are you we going to see Trump for Prison 2017 response bumper stickers?
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    Jesus christ if you feel that way just move then. You make Scooby look optimistic. If you honestly think this country cant be fixed then stop yelling at the wind, get in your car and drive North where you can feel safe and secure.
    Of course this country CAN be fixed. I question whether or not it will be fixed. But then again what do I know? I was stupid enough to think Trump might win. Oh, wait...

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    Bill O'Rly? is a marvelous a55, but Maher is right. If Hillary is going to speak out, she could be a lot more constructive than poutraging at a lame joke. It's such a spot-picking move.

    Also, color me a little bit impressed that Sanitarium agreed to go on Maher's show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Bill O'Rly? is a marvelous a55, but Maher is right. If Hillary is going to speak out, she could be a lot more constructive than poutraging at a lame joke. It's such a spot-picking move.

    Also, color me a little bit impressed that Sanitarium agreed to go on Maher's show.
    He has been on it a few times...last time he was fact checked because he lied at Trump levels when talking about "facts".

    And Maher is right the poutrage over the joke is obnoxious.
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    Apparently it bears repeating, but the way to defeat Trump isn't to get his voters to switch sides. Its to activate lazy or disillusioned lefties who told themselves there was no difference between the parties in 2016. Anybody who voted for Trump to stop Obama from seizing a 3rd term and imposing Sharia Law is not a swing voter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Bill O'Rly? is a marvelous a55, but Maher is right. If Hillary is going to speak out, she could be a lot more constructive than poutraging at a lame joke. It's such a spot-picking move.

    Also, color me a little bit impressed that Sanitarium agreed to go on Maher's show.
    Santorum is a regular on Maher. It is the sole positive about him I know of.

    Neera Tanden is typically good but she completely missed the point on the James Brown joke, which, to be honest, was funny. That she did not seem to be able to see through her ideological trigger on that was everything you need to know about what is wrong with the academic left. Maher is not smart, but on that he was right.
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    The rubes never pay attention to things that matter, like gerrymandering, because they are too busy believing the attractive lies that the Republicans are telling them. Yet another reason why I have so little hope.

    Things will not get better in 2018 because the same bunch of gerrymandered districts will be voting again. The only shot we have at any meaningful change in the makeup of our legislatures (both federal AND state, gerrymandering is rampant at both levels) is for the nation to suffer disasters of epic proportions. Hardly what any of us WANT to see. Sort of like how nobody really wants the president to "fail" because a failed president is harmful to all of us.

    Gerrymandering is one of the reasons I see no political solutions to the problems we face. We can't elect enough people with reasonable thoughts because the system is broken. Until we can convince enough people that the system itself is the issue, it's going to continue in the same fashion. It's just too bad the Republicans figured this out first and went about making it the reality we work under. Something as seemingly simple as how we draw congressional district lines has an enormous effect on the type of legislators who get elected. We need to fix this. But how can you convince uneducated voters who reuse to think critically and are far too quick to believe someone who says "Democrats are going to take away your guns, illegal immigrants are ruining our economy, and we need to have more coal mining jobs" that the minutia of congressional district boundaries might be the most important thing to look at? Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Apparently it bears repeating, but the way to defeat Trump isn't to get his voters to switch sides. Its to activate lazy or disillusioned lefties who told themselves there was no difference between the parties in 2016. Anybody who voted for Trump to stop Obama from seizing a 3rd term and imposing Sharia Law is not a swing voter.
    Yes. And I think after what I heard this morning on Fox News and Meet the Press that we are living in a Red Country. Get used to it. Put it this way. If this was the way the Presidency was going under Clinton the Presidency would be over already. We'd already be at Defcon 1. Instead we might be at Defcon 3 right now and the only explanation for that is Red Red Red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Yes. And I think after what I heard this morning on Fox News and Meet the Press that we are living in a Red Country. Get used to it. Put it this way. If this was the way the Presidency was going under Clinton the Presidency would be over already. We'd already be at Defcon 1. Instead we might be at Defcon 3 right now and the only explanation for that is Red Red Red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Apparently it bears repeating, but the way to defeat Trump isn't to get his voters to switch sides. Its to activate lazy or disillusioned lefties who told themselves there was no difference between the parties in 2016. Anybody who voted for Trump to stop Obama from seizing a 3rd term and imposing Sharia Law is not a swing voter.
    They wont vote though...they are too busy being outraged because some random person said something that one other person may have found offensive. (even though they never said they were offended)
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    If their side votes, and our side can't be bothered, so be it.
    That appears to be the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    If their side votes, and our side can't be bothered, so be it.
    It is always easier to generate poutrage against the incumbent party.

    2018 will be interesting. Historically we get lower Democratic turnout in midterms. However, with the Dumpster in full blazing glory it should help our turnout and depress the orcs. 2018 will test both your thesis that red will always win midterms due to blue lethargy/purity and my thesis that 2016 was an anomalous result of us putting a horrible candidate at the top of the ballot.

    The most recent midterm with a Republican president, 2006, was a strong performance for blue. This gives me hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    If their side votes, and our side can't be bothered, so be it.
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    That appears to be the case.
    No surprise in that. Fear and anger influence our caveman brain far more effectively than logic or altruism.

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    They wont vote though...they are too busy being outraged because some random person said something that one other person may have found offensive. (even though they never said they were offended)
    Though there is some truth to this, I don't think it is stopping us from winning -- it was just as true in 2006, 2008 and 2012. It is stopping us from burying the GOP, which by track record ought to be as close to dead as a modern major party can get. The cultural idiocy of the academic left is serving as a counterweight to the cultural idiocy of the evangelical right and stopping the mainstream culture from shifting entirely left. But we're seeing a backlash from within the liberal left against the more spectacularly clueless academic left jeremiads, and the far right can always be trusted to push it too far.

    Deep red dyed-in the wool evangelicals will always horse laugh at the left's social stances, but we're never getting those people anyway. Our target should be sensible middle class people who are neither Womyns Studies majors nor Thumper morons. That is squarely the center of American cultural identity. The GOP miscalculated when they tried to make Gay Marriage a boogeyman and those people said "that's stupid, my nephew is gay." So now the GOP will pick other targets to spread cultural anxiety. BLM is a meh tactic -- fear of a black planet does play in Peoria (AZ), but on the other hand every time you turn on the TV a white cop is murdering a black person for eating Skittles, which ruins the narrative. Sharia Law only plays with the base, though the whole "use the magic word Islamic terrorism" shtick was picking up speed there for a while before Trump sucked up all the air.

    And Trump and his SS are a big problem for the GOP. The time-honored conservative shell game has always been to wink at the racists and fanatics while speaking in stentorian platitudes to the Chamber of Commerce types. But Trump blows the whole thing by actually saying the crassest, most vile racist stuff overtly. It didn't hurt them when they had the Benghazi Bag Lady to bludgeon, but going forward he's going to be a millstone around the Republican neck.

    tl; dr: The landscape is changing and not in a good way for the reactionaries. Those people need War Fever without an actual war. That is the obvious card for the GOP to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    No surprise in that. Fear and anger influence our caveman brain far more effectively than logic or altruism.
    Which is why there will always be a third or so of the population that is far right, far reactionary. But there are nearly as many humans as apes in the electorate now, and the good guys do win about half the time.
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    So I hear (and read) that Trump said that if he can't get China on board to do something about North Korea, he will unilaterally take action.
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    Bad idea. China isn't going to "allow" a unified Korea and US ally just pop up on its border.

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    So I hear (and read) that Trump said that if he can't get China on board to do something about North Korea, he will unilaterally take action.
    This week Xi Jinping can 'splain to him why this is not a good idea.
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    And now, for a "Get off my lawn!" moment, courtesy of Ivanka Trump's neighborhood... https://www.infowars.com/must-watch-...fing-face-hit/
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